Hello all,
In answer to Miriam Suss, about who were driven (by "driven" I mean
the German word "Getrieben" or the English "chased") to Transnistria
on foot and who were deported there by train: From Czernowitz itself
people were deported by train. One of my aunts was on the train
with my grandmother and two other aunts. The train stood at the station
For a long time. This aunt, Clara Reifer, needed to use the toilet,
Got off the train to use the toilet at the station. Wile she was in the toilet
The train started moving and because she had had polio as a child,
She limped and could not run fast, the train left the station with her mother
and two sisters. She was able to find out where we were living
And spent the rest of the war years with my parents and me.
My relatives from Sniyatin and Zastavna were driven to Transnistria
On foot. Babies and small children often died on the way.
But many young adults survived, had more children after the war
And their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren now mostly
Live is Israel.
Mimi
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> On Dec 23, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Miriam Suss <ms...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> It interests me that some deportees were sent to Transnistria by train
> whereas my family was driven there by foot with a few wheelbarrows and
> decrepit carts for the infirm.
> Does anyone have any historical information about the rationale for this
> difference? Was it timing or some other reason?
> My family was forced to leave Czernowitz in October 1942.
>
> Miriam Suss
> Email: ms...@bigpond.net.au
> Melbourne Australia
>
>> On 23 Dec 2022, at 6:42 am, Maurice Linker <link...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>> I doubt any of these luxuries would have been provided by the Rumanian
>> guards
>>
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>> From: Maurice Linker <link...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 3:39:31 PM
>> To: Mark Auslander <markauslan...@icloud.com>; czernowit...@cornell.edu
>> <czernowit...@cornell.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Deportation tain stories?
>>
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>> <bounce-127055246-63807...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Mark Auslander
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>> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2022 10:02:08 AM
>> To: czernowit...@cornell.edu <czernowit...@cornell.edu>
>> Subject: [czernowitz-l] Deportation tain stories?
>>
>> Friends,
>>
>> Might I ask, as terrible as these stories are, if there are any accounts or
>> memories of what actually took place inside the trains (evidently, cattle
>> cars) used to transport people from Bukovina into Transnistria in the Fall
>> of 1941?
>>
>> My cousin Jonathan Pagis (whose father Severin [Dan] Pagis travelled on the
>> train with his grandparents, my great grandparents Isak and Clara Auslander)
>> shared a story from a Radautz survivor, that her mother told her and her
>> sisters to get to the train early (this would have been around 10 October
>> 1941) to place down clean linens on the floorboards, so the family could
>> travel comfortably—with no intimations of the horrors to come,
>>
>> Cousin Dan himself to my knowledge never spoke directly as to what occurred
>> on board the train heading to Moghilev, although this is the subject of one
>> of his most famous poems.
>>
>> We are of course familiar with accounts of other Holocaust trains, some of
>> which evidently had military snipers on board shooting at escapees. Did
>> anything like that happen in Bukovina? I assume no food or water was
>> provided for those in the trains, which were presumably without heat.
>>
>> And has the Caile Ferate Romane ever issued an apology for its complicity in
>> the deporations?
>>
>> sending warmest regards to all on the list,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Auslander
>>
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