Hi Viktors! I've also been having a hard time using the new filmic rgb module. I can't get neither a better image than my Fuji X70's JPEG, as I could on DT 2.6.2. I found the original filmic module easier, more straightforward to use.
Yesterday I tried the LUTs that Guido indicated. Even being for x-trans III, they worked perfectly with my x-trans II RAW files. I think I'll leave filmic rgb and start my workflow with these profiles for Fuji. I'm just not sure if 3d-luts is the ideal option for my workflow. Any thoughts? Marcus Em ter., 14 de jan. de 2020 às 09:36, Viktors Krasovskis < [email protected]> escreveu: > Hi Remco. I understand the Darktable developers point to push the ultimate > raw interpretation and introduce raw processing workflow that squeezes out > most data into richer result. It's cool and makes sense in theory or if you > don't shoot a lot and have time to develop the raw files. I don't know how > Sony renders it's JPEGs, though Nikon, Fuji and Canon do the job quite > well in terms to provide universal preview for many scene types. When > photographer takes pictures he checks the result in EVF or on camera's > display and makes the exposure, light, subject and scene adjustments by the > JPEG preview. After some practice the photographer learns to know his > camera and it's possible to predict by JPEG preview how far we can go with > under/overexposing the image. If I do some shooting on location where I > often change the lighting proportions in my photos then it's a pain to > adjust filmic RGB module sliders for each pictures because they all are so > different. Well and the filmic presets do not help much. Ok, I try to > process each image with filmic not looking to camera JPEGs to be unbiased > in my editing. And later, when i compare the results with camera JPEGs I > see that JPEGs look more natural and more richer in shadows and middle > tones, the skin tones are just right in most pictures by default and I > could fix the others just by adjusting the white balance. Maybe sometimes > the camera JPEGs are less saturated, underexposed or have shifted white > balance. But that's easy to fix in DT 2.6.x since the RAW rendering > starting point is close to the camera JPEG and represents the preview which > I created on the field with my adjustments. Now the DT 3.0 brakes this > solid workflow, I can't rely on my camera's preview while shooting because > now I know that the starting point on darktable will look different. That's > why I downgraded back to 2.6.x. DT 2.6.x is a great tool and I'm afraid > that the development of this version will phase out and it won't get new > camera support, new modules and bugfixes. > Darktable 3.0 would be a fantastic tool if it would allow the users to > choose between the classic and advanced workflows. That would speed up > editing where camera manufacturer raw interpretation worked well and for > more complicated cases filmic RGB module would be a nice help for > experienced users. Most users in most cases need that their raw files are > rendered well enough and the rendering should be predictive. Only geeks and > some others (the minority) needs the ultimate raw rendering which takes > more time and in practice is less universal. Filmic RGB is great for > landscapes and architecture where the camera's dynamic range is on it's > limits, however Nikon base curve presents give far better results on human > portraits on DT 2.6.x by default. What do others think and do they have > similar experience? > > вт, 14 янв. 2020 г. в 12:49, Remco Viëtor <[email protected]>: > >> On lundi 13 janvier 2020 15:28:04 CET Timur Irikovich Davletshin wrote: >> > Hi Viktors, >> > >> > There are two problems in your case: >> > >> > 1. Nikon-like alternative basecurve turned just Nikon-like. >> > 2. New color preservation settings which messed highlights and colors. >> > >> > First issue: I had similar problem in the past. I believe there was >> > problem with Exif interpretation. E.g. image information used to show >> > Nikon d7100 but now it shows NIKON D7100. Can you try to reimport some >> > file and check it in image information? >> > >> > Second issue: I addressed it in the past >> > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/3693 and >> > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/3677 — so nothing to >> > do. >> > >> > Timur. >> > >> > On Sun, 2020-01-12 at 13:04 +0200, Viktors Krasovskis wrote: >> > > Hi. The DT 3.0 is nice. However I noticed a serious problem when >> > > working with my Nikon D7200 RAW files. The DT 2.6.2 version I was >> > > using did automatically apply the D7200 base curve preset and the >> > > initial rendering of the RAW file looked quite similar to camera's >> > > JPEG file (tones, saturation, white balance and the exposure). It was >> > > a good starting point for my editing. Now the DT 3.0 applies a wrong >> > > base curve preset (nikon like) and when I choose the D7200 base curve >> > > preset then the images looks desaturated, underexposed and less >> > > detailed. I tried to fix this with the exposure, white balance, >> > > saturation and contrast sliders and I still can't get a similar look >> > > like in camera's JPEG, the skin tones look weird, the shadows are too >> > > dark, bet when I raise them I loose contrast. In other words the >> > > colors are not so natural like the were rendered in DT 2.6.2. I've >> > > also tried the filmic RGB module (with the base curve and without), >> > > still can't adjust the image better as it was done by default in DT >> > > 2.6.2. What I'm doing wrong? Is it a bug? I can provide my Nikon RAW >> > > and JPEG files to compare. >> > > >> >> One thing to keep in mind: the basecurves give *one* interpretation of >> the raw >> data, not *the* interpretation. >> >> And while it provides an easy starting point, there are disadvantages: I >> noticed that in my case, the automatically selected curve (Sony-like) >> threw >> away about 1 stop in the highlights. And there are more basecurves that >> behave >> that way. >> >> So following the camera maker's taste has its issues... >> >> Remco >> >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable user mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> [email protected] >> >> > > -- > Ar cieņu, Viktors Krasovskis > _______________________________________________ > tel.: +37129190152 > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > [email protected] > -- ___________________________________________________________________ Marcus Amorim :: Brasília, DF :: http://zamorim.com ____________________________________________________________________________ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to [email protected]
