On Friday 13 December 2013 08:23:10 Ben Short wrote:
> junkyardsparkle,
>
> Thanks I'll have a look at your style when I get home.
>
> David,
>
> I understand what you are saying but is there anything wrong with wanting
> the colors to be as they actually are?
It took me a while to realize, that what the camera is putting into jpg is not
the "truth". I guess your camera has different "picture styles" like portrait
or landscape. Every picture style manipulates your raw differently to arrive
at the jpg. The jpg is done in a way (hopefully), to match the expectation of
most users given the picture style. Therefore, setting the picture style is
part of the creative process, but much more limited than what you could do
developing a raw by yourself.
You are right, that it comes done to personal taste. You might want to get a
pretty picture in a artistic sense, or you may want to picture think "as they
are" trying to get everything as realistic as possible. For the second case,
jpg might be close to want you want, especially if you choose a neutral
picture style. But shooting jpgs is not a guarantee to catch the "world as it
is".
Personally, I found the move to shooting raw only a good experience. It is
more work in the post-processing, though.
Just my 2 cent,
Wolfgang
>Then from that point manipulate the
> image as you see fit? I guess it all comes down to personal preference. I
> have another image of a bird, black headed gull, in flight against a light
> blue sky. I wanted to try and make the bird sharper against the sky as it
> was but I've not been able to get the blue correct. Maybe I should just use
> the jpg with gimp.
>
> Rob,
>
> I've tried the other base curves as you suggest. None of them really help
> to get the blue as it actually was and is show in the jpg.
>
> Christian,
>
> Thanks for the offer. I followed the instructions on the link you provided
> and have created a basecurve preset. All the files used and created can be
> seen here [1]. And the SQL for the new present is shown bellow....
>
> echo "INSERT INTO presets VALUES('Canon
> 60D','','basecurve',2,X'0000000099d2803a2c113f3b127ebf3a2c11bf3cf0fe563c7c36
> a13dd79cc73d2c113f3e698eaa3ec496ba3e225a223f7c36213f835c5a3f0000803fe2ff7f3f
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000800
> 00000000000000000000020000000000000000000000',1,X'00000000180000000000C84200
> 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
> 000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F00
> 00803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F000000
> 00000000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F000000000000000000
> 00803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F000080
> 3F00000000000000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F0000000000
> 0000000000803F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F0000000000000000000080
> 3F0000803F00000000000000000000803F0000803F',7,0,'','%','%','%',0.0,51200.0,0
> .0,10000000.0,0.0,100000000.0,0.0,1000.0,0,0,0,0,2);"
> | sqlite3 ~/.config/darktable/library.db
>
> [1] https://www.dropbox.com/sh/rnwcqz896vyuyw5/Wnlt-GybuX
>
> On 12 December 2013 12:18, Rob Z. Smith <rzsm...@nhbc.co.uk> wrote:
> > That's a generous offer Christian.
> >
> > To the OP - I suggest first looking at all the other base curves available
> > as well rather than just the one selected for your camera. You may find
> > one you like, indeed you may find you prefer the 'pentax look' or 'nikon
> > look' or some other manufacturer's in-camera style to your own and get the
> > opportunity to 'change cameras' without spending any money :-)
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Rob.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christian Kanzian [mailto:christian.kanz...@gmx.at]
> > Sent: 12 December 2013 10:03
> > To: b...@benshort.co.uk
> > Cc: darktable-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Darktable-users] Altering the blue
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Matching colors by hand isn't easy. What about creating a basecurve for
> > this camera model [0]? I think it's worth a try, because it's not hard to
> > do. If you don't use the git version of darktbale, I can create the
> > basecurve. Simple provide me a raw+jpg like descripted at [0].
> >
> > >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Dezember 2013 um 06:26 Uhr
> > >Von: "David Vincent-Jones" <davi...@frontier.com>
> > >An: darktable-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >Betreff: Re: [Darktable-users] Altering the blue ...
> > >Personally, raw + jpg is rather akin to a 'paint-by-numbers' exercise. It
> >
> > certainly acts as a confidence building procedure for newcomers to
> >
> > >photography or raw processing but cramps the creative juice. Maybe it is
> >
> > time for you to take your first 'solo flight'.
> >
> > >David
> >
> > Written nicely ;-). That also reflects my experience. After two months I
> > stopped using raw+jpg, because it is simple too much work.
> > Copying/applying
> > styles and exporting is easier and faster.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > [0] http://www.darktable.org/2013/10/about-basecurves
> >
> >
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