On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, Raphael Hertzog wrote:

> Hi,
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, gregor herrmann wrote:
> > From what I know, this what not a "foolish user action" but an action
> > by a dedicated maintainer who enabled salsa-ci for all packages
> > ("projects") of a specific team; so they used a service advertised by
> > the salsa and salsa-ci teams. That this service doesn't work as
> > advertised or at least doesn't work for the amount of packages a
> > medium-sized team might have is deplorable and needs some action but
> > I don't see any reason for calling this action itself foolish.
> +1
> FWIW, I did the same for Kali linux on 500 packages which are
> hosted on https://gitlab.com/kalilinux/packages/ and it generated that many
> pipelines as well without any significant issue.
> Obviously, gitlab.com has certainly much more resources behind it
> than salsa but I believe that we should be able to just do that without
> bringing salsa to its knees. It's quite common to do mass-update to many
> repositories with "mr" and that would generate just as many pipelines
> too.
> I understand that the Salsa admins will have to find ways to grow the
> available resources and so far they did a very good job on this level,
> (except the part where they always express their grumpyness in a way that
> is hostile to many users) so I'm confident that they will find solutions.
> They already moved most of the work to external Google VM to make the service
> scale (at the start it was running entirely on the few dedicated
> runners). Same for storage of many artifacts/log files.
> When we looked into replacing FusionForge, GitLab was not necessarily
> their preference (at least for formorer IIRC) but they listened to the
> feedback from DD on this level and it's pretty clear (at least to me)
> that the GitLab CI features are the reason why many DD voted for GitLab.
> So, indeed, we should not blame users because they enable CI, we selected
> GitLab because of those features.
> In summary: thank you Salsa admins and keep up the good work! (And try to be
> less grumpy)
I am a bit surprised, from the first day on we said that there are limited
ressources for ci and that you should be nice to the service. Thats even

"We mean that. Really. Be nice to the server. At some point in the future we 
hope to add some dedicated Runners servers - Sponsors welcome! ;)"

And we mean it that way, so don't be surprised if we tell you that you
overload things. We are always improving things, but anyhow, there are
limits - as it is for every other service within debian. 

So please, please don't tell me what you expect and so on. Just be happy that
it works so well.


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