-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Bas Wijnen wrote: > On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 02:23:46PM +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: >> Debian won't run on a large fraction of hardware any more. > ... >> To restate the obvious: After the transition a lot of current debian >> users won't be using debian anymore. > > So what's the problem? We want to provide a 100% free software > distribution. Appearantly we currently can't do that. We're far on the > way, but not there yet. We may have thought we were there, but we were > wrong.
Yes. But you also promise in SC #4: > Our priorities are our users and free software > [...] we will provide an integrated system of high-quality materials... Without the binary blobs, unfortunately, debian won't provide an *integrated* OS any more, at least for those computers that require sourceless firmware. You also promise in the first sentence of d.o: > Debian is a free operating system (OS) for your computer. This also won't be the case, once debian won't run on my hardware any longer. > So indeed, people currently running Debian don't run a 100% free > software system. With binary blobs inside or outside of debian, my computer will run just the same. It's just that outside main it won't be supported by debian -- at least not officially. It will be harder to install, as well. Outside main it's not debian that "provides an integrated system..." I prefer to have the presently and regrettably unavoidable blobs being supported by debian (and d-i) instead of having them not supported. That's all. Debian has the choice of either violating SC#1 or SC#4. A small violation of SC#1 does less harm, IMHO, than a large violation of SC#4. [...] > Instead you seem to invent a new rule, which says "the number of users > of Debian must be as high as possible", and you even want to break SC#1 > for this rule. No, I just read SC#4. Turning present debian users into non-debian users by sticking to SC#1 violates SC#4. > No, I don't agree. I don't even agree that this is a good target. We > shouldn't have "many users" as a goal. It may be a means to help free > software. But you're trying to argue that we should harm free software > for the purpose of getting more users. No, I don't see "many users" as a goal. But at the same time debian shouldn't kick out existing users. Cheers, Johannes -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkkYZb8ACgkQC1NzPRl9qEW+MwCfW3YG4vwY/1kMZCm1wFpEPSvi GxcAn1+aXaTciVWdFLy1DrNNvjEHf5i0 =QBuq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
