John.. I commented on blacklists only.. i.e. spamcop, open relay db, etc... NOT badheaders, revdns etc. I do not kill email based on REVDNS or badheaders.. I hold mail based on weight 20 (based on those criteria).
Bottom line: If you have earned a place on the blacklists, you wont be sending mail to my networks. Regards, Phillip B. Holmes Media Resolutions Inc. Macromedia Alliance Partner http://www.mediares.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-888-395-4678 ext. 101 972-889-0201 ext. 101 /* Please send support requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] */ Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.--- Chinese Proverb -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Should postmaster or abuse accept all e-mail? >Ah. Well, there it is. >My opinion still stands. If clients are on the blacklists, there is no >point in receiving mail from them AT ALL. Screw em till they remove >themselves... Just my opinion. I am sorry you feel that way. What about the new mail admin at a company taking over a g*d awfull mess left by the last one and is trying to contact of mail admins to help clear things up? Or what about the mail admin that has to change to a new IP and finds that IP address listed on many spam databases until he can work through them and get it cleaned up? What about the company that sets up a new web server, but the programmer has an error in the code that ends up allowing some one to relay, or creates messages in a way that they fail SPAMHEADERS, BADHEADERS, BASE64, REVDNS and such? What about the mail admin that made a mistake and set the relay settings wrong allowing a spammer in? Or what about the user with a password so simple whereby a spammer finds it and starts sending out large amounts of spam via that user, causing the server to be blacklisted? I was face with the first scenario about 15 months ago. Fortunately, I was able to contact a "postmaster" at AOL who was very helpful and helped to clean up the mess rather quickly. If he had your opinion, how much longer would it have taken for me to figure out what was wrong and how to fix it? We are talking about allowing mail to two accounts as required by RFC, postmaster and abuse. That way, no matter what happens, at least there will be a way to communicate. You are taking an awfull hard stance on an issue that does not really need it. Reminds me of a infamaus quote, "Is this the hill you want to die on?" John Tolmachoff MCSE, CSSA IT Manager, Network Engineer RelianceSoft, Inc. Fullerton, CA 92835 www.reliancesoft.com --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com.
