Scott,

I'm not looking at the file right now, but all I do is change the Weight 10
and 20 from Warn to Subject "Sapm:" or whaterver the correct syntax is.  The
result is that the message is sent on with the subject prefix of SPAM:
added.  That's all I want to do.  Then it's up to the user if they want to
delete it or whatever.

I don't know anything about "HOPHIGH".  Mine is set at whatever your default
is.

So it sounds like you're saying I've done the right thing and not much more
to do?

-Joe

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] JunkMail config files...


>
> >I have installed the latest files... I try and keep up with them.  I
think
> >the only changes I make are on the Weight 10 and 20 and I change the
> >subject.  I look at the headers on a bunch of the spam messages that come
> >thru and most fail SORBS-DUHL, but then I see that many legit messages do
as
> >well.
>
> Are you using a HOPHIGH setting in your global.cfg file?  If so, that
would
> account for it.  In that case, you can rename the test to SORBS-DUL, in
> which case Declude JunkMail will bypass it for inappropriate IPs.
>
> >I have to admit that I've never taken the time to look at this very much.
I
> >had hoped that someone had come up with a good config that I could use
> >without making learning about all these spam databases part of my life.
>
> Well, it sounds like you want to make it part of your life.  :)
>
> I would guess that about 80% of our customers are simply using the default
> config files and blocking on WEIGHT20 or WEIGHT10.  If you have everything
> set up correctly, that should capture a significant amount of spam.  If
you
> were blocking 60% of spam using an old config file, you should see much
> better results with the latest config file.
>
> So, it's time to determine if the spam capture ratio is good enough.  If
it
> is, sit back and let Declude JunkMail do its thing.  If not, you should
> first determine if there is a configuration problem.  If so, it needs to
be
> fixed; otherwise, time will need to be spent learning about ways to
improve
> the spam detection.
>
> >My goal is to give my mail users the ability to filter out most spam
based
> >on the subject line of the message.
>
> Do you mean that you want to filter spam based on the subject line that
the
> spammer used (in which case you're choosing to spend a lot of time dealing
> with spam on your own, rather than using existing tools -- and you would
> need to explain *why* you want to do it this way), or do you mean that you
> want to filter spam based on subject modifications that Declude JunkMail
> makes (such as "WEIGHT20 SUBJECT Spam:")?
>
> >The default config files do nothing toward that goal and I have to make
> >changes.
>
> The default config files intentionally do not take any action on spam,
> because everyone's needs are different.  However, changing "WEIGHT20 WARN"
> to "WEIGHT20 SUBJECT Spam:" is very simple, so I'm assuming you are
wanting
> to do subject filtering on your own.
>
> So my question becomes, "Why do you want to filter based on the subject?"
>
> >If I change all the warn's, to subject changes then it seems that most
> >every message would be marked as
> >spam.  There has to be a good medium in there, but I sure don't want to
make
> >it my lifes work to find it.
>
> AH!  I think I understand now.
>
> Our recommendation for several years now has been to use the default
> configuration file, and then block E-mail based on either the WEIGHT20 or
> WEIGHT10 tests.  So in this case, you would just change the "WEIGHT20
WARN"
> to "WEIGHT20 SUBJECT Spam:".
>
> We do NOT recommend blocking on all tests.  For most of our customers,
only
> blocking on the weight tests works very well.
>
>                                                     -Scott
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