1. Place negative weight tests first.
2. While testing effectiveness of a single test, place it first or turn
off the stop processing flag for a period of time.

Todd Holt
Xidix Technologies, Inc
Las Vegas, NV  USA
www.xidix.com
702.319.4349



> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 3:01 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
> 
> If a filter is skipped by SKIPIFWEIGHT, at that point I am not
concerned
> about logging that filter, as I do not want it to run. Remember,
> SKIPIFWEIGHT is only for filters.
> 
> However, what if a message gets a high weight early, but then would
get a
> negative weight from a filter? You took action before the message had
a
> chance to get the negative weight.
> 
> What if you are checking to see the effectiveness of one test compared
to
> others? If processing is stopped short, that test may not be run on
all
> messages.
> 
> John Tolmachoff
> Engineer/Consultant/Owner
> eServices For You
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Doherty
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:00 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
> >
> > John-
> >
> > Doesn't SKIPIFWEIGHT also defeat the logging of the skipped tests?
> >
> > -Dave Doherty
> >  Skywaves, Inc.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Tolmachoff (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:04 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Clarification
> >
> >
> > > I would like to see the SKIPIFWEIGHT option removed.  If we had a
> > > conditional option to stop when a specific weight is reached, then
> there
> > > would be not need for SKIPIFWEIGHT.  In addition, why would anyone
use
> > > SKIPIFWEIGHT on less than every test...and why would anyone define
one
> > > test with a different SKIPIFWEIGHT value than another test?  This
> leads
> > > me back to a HOLDIFWEIGHT/DELETEIFWEIGHT logic which optionally
stops
> > > processing when reached.
> >
> > Coming in late some my comments may be off.
> >
> > Scott has stated before that to stop all processing once a certain
> weight
> > has been reached would be difficult and/or problematic. That is
where
> > SKIPIFWEIGHT comes in. I use SKIPIFWEIGHT on all body filters, as
those
> > are
> > the most expensive in terms of CPU cost. I then have body filters
listed
> > in
> > order, from most effective to least effective or specific target.
> Example,
> > I
> > have a custom body filter on my server for one client only. That is
the
> > last
> > filter to run.
> >
> > Also, another reason to not stop processing is if you are doing log
> > analysis
> > and adjust filters or blocks based on that analysis. If you stop
> > processing
> > at say 35, but the message would have failed 5 other tests, those
tests
> > will
> > then not show up in log analysis.
> >
> > John Tolmachoff
> > Engineer/Consultant/Owner
> > eServices For You
> >
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