RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is SpamCop

[Shayne Embry]

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John,   I didn't say that. In my case I haven't received any legitimate email from those domains and I do receive a considerable amount of spam from them, so I tend to treat them accordingly.   To answer the original question, in my case SpamCop is very, very effective and I use it aggressively. I rarely see a false positive. But as I said, everyone has different needs. I'm not trying to disagree with anyone posting here about their experiences and practices. Just relaying my experience.   Shayne   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists) Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is SpamCop So, if I sent you a message from my home ISP account, which is Adelphia, you would automatically consider it spam?   John Tolmachoff Engineer/Consultant/Owner eServices For You   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shayne Embry Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is spamcop   Personally, I don't consider this a problem with SpamCop. I understand that different people have different needs, but in my case every message entering my system from adelphia.net and wanadoo.fr is spam.   Shayne   -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is spamcop SpamCop has a serious problem with blacklisting large ISP mail servers.  Just yesterday I had three false positives partially caused by SpamCop weighted at about 45% of my hold weight for the domains in question, and hitting E-mail coming from adelphia.net, wanadoo.fr and netvision.net.il, all large ISP mail servers.  Based on my review of SpamCop on these ISP mail servers, I estimate that they have between a 1 in 20 and a 1 in 50 chance of a message getting improperly tagged when they come through such an ISP.  This also caries over to the likes of AOL and Road Runner. I once contacted one of their "Deputies" about the issue and their response was that "SpamCop is aggressive."  Unfortunately their failure to resolve this long-standing problem of treating an ISP mail server that sends 99.99% legit E-mail just the same as a mail server belonging to a spam house weakens the value of their blacklist a great deal and causes administrators like ourselves a lot of frustration that something so obvious couldn't be corrected. SpamCop also has a fundamental flaw in that submitted spam that gets forwarded from one server to a destination often causes the forwarding server to get tagged, and forged headers can also trick them from time to time. I would suggest weighting SpamCop at no more than 60% of your hold weight, and add as many reliable tests as possible.  SpamCop is however a very important test, and it accurately flags about 2/3 of the spam reaching my server. Matt Doris Dean wrote: Is it safe to simply delete an email flagged with spamcop?   TIA Doris -- ===================================================== MailPure custom filters for Declude JunkMail Pro. http://www.mailpure.com/software/ =====================================================