Shayne,

They regularly list AOL and Road Runner mail servers too.  I was just giving you examples of what happened on one single day and what ended up getting held on my system.  It took multiple tests showing FP's in order for each message to get held.

Here's some SpamCop detail on AOL's mail server's for instance:

    http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action="">

Note that they fare better than most large ISP's because they don't pump hardly any broadband customers out of these servers, and dial-up users are highly unlikely to get hijacked by a spammer.

Matt



Shayne Embry wrote:
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John,
 
I didn't say that. In my case I haven't received any legitimate email from those domains and I do receive a considerable amount of spam from them, so I tend to treat them accordingly.
 
To answer the original question, in my case SpamCop is very, very effective and I use it aggressively. I rarely see a false positive. But as I said, everyone has different needs. I'm not trying to disagree with anyone posting here about their experiences and practices. Just relaying my experience.
 
Shayne
 
-----Original Message-----
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Tolmachoff (Lists)
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 9:07 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is SpamCop

So, if I sent you a message from my home ISP account, which is Adelphia, you would automatically consider it spam?

 

John Tolmachoff

Engineer/Consultant/Owner

eServices For You

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Shayne Embry
Sent:
Wednesday, April 28, 2004 6:46 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is spamcop

 

Personally, I don't consider this a problem with SpamCop. I understand that different people have different needs, but in my case every message entering my system from adelphia.net and wanadoo.fr is spam.

 

Shayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt
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Tuesday, April 27, 2004 6:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] How accurate is spamcop

SpamCop has a serious problem with blacklisting large ISP mail servers.  Just yesterday I had three false positives partially caused by SpamCop weighted at about 45% of my hold weight for the domains in question, and hitting E-mail coming from adelphia.net, wanadoo.fr and netvision.net.il, all large ISP mail servers.  Based on my review of SpamCop on these ISP mail servers, I estimate that they have between a 1 in 20 and a 1 in 50 chance of a message getting improperly tagged when they come through such an ISP.  This also caries over to the likes of AOL and Road Runner.

I once contacted one of their "Deputies" about the issue and their response was that "SpamCop is aggressive."  Unfortunately their failure to resolve this long-standing problem of treating an ISP mail server that sends 99.99% legit E-mail just the same as a mail server belonging to a spam house weakens the value of their blacklist a great deal and causes administrators like ourselves a lot of frustration that something so obvious couldn't be corrected.

SpamCop also has a fundamental flaw in that submitted spam that gets forwarded from one server to a destination often causes the forwarding server to get tagged, and forged headers can also trick them from time to time.

I would suggest weighting SpamCop at no more than 60% of your hold weight, and add as many reliable tests as possible.  SpamCop is however a very important test, and it accurately flags about 2/3 of the spam reaching my server.

Matt



Doris Dean wrote:

Is it safe to simply delete an email flagged with spamcop?

 

TIA

Doris



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