David,

The CRLF thing doesn't affect me since I have my own solution, however for those that use Subject tagging, adding another test won't help unless they decide to just simply delete such messages.  The header boundary could be programatically determined with a great deal of ease (a simple regexp), and Declude could insert it's headers into the correct place if this was done.  Introducing tests to score conditions that one's software does not handle correctly is not a fix, it's a work-around.

Regarding the other things, I'm very alarmed that the official position is still not even recognizing that these bugs surely exist, much less fixed at this point.  This concerns me greatly since I rely on this product for my business, and if it takes months to just confirm a bug, especially one that is widely reported, I can't responsibly rely on that product.  It is pretty much the same thing as having a virus scanner that takes months to catch a particular virus, or having a Web browser that is never patch for a critical flaw.  I consider both the Mail From issue and the base 64 encoding issues to be critical flaws that warrant immediate fixes.  I am not alone in this.  If you don't have a lot of people still griping about this stuff, it is because they are either not aware of the flaws, or they have already given up on trying to get you guys to fix them, or given up on relying on Declude altogether.  These things should be fixed in hours or days and not weeks or months when they occur.

I assume that you are not the person making these development decisions, so this isn't directed at you, but those that make the calls need to fully understand the critical nature of these flaws, and their role in making sure that Declude can respond rapidly to such things not just now, but as they occur in the future.

Thanks,

Matt




David Barker wrote:
Matt,

Headers not using proper CRLF line breaks is currently being tested using
the new vulnerability NONSTANDARDCRLF test.

As for these items they are on the list for engineers to confirm and test
and fix if they are bugs.

1. Invalid characters in the Mail FROM
2. Long base 64 encoding causing Declude EVA to fail decoding
3. WHITELIST IP being applied before IPBYPASS

David B
www.declude.com

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:49 PM
To: declude.virus@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] New Virus: zipped word doc with Macro-Virus

David,

I'm just wondering about the issue with the invalid characters in the Mail
From's that caused massive spam leakage almost a month ago.  Is this too
supposed to be fixed?

I'm also very, very curious about the other bugs such as long base 64
encoding causing Declude Virus to fail decoding, WHITELIST IP being applied
before IPBYPASS, and the issue where Declude's headers are inserted at the
bottom of the message when the headers don't use proper CRLF line breaks?

Thanks,

Matt



David Barker wrote:

  
I have added the request to the wish list. We are focusing on 
replicating problems and fixing items from the list I had posted 
earlier last week. We are looking to do a release Thursday 8 July it is 
currently under going testing. This is all obviously subject to change 
just trying to keep you informed.

Items in next release:

1. Fix - ALLOWVULNERABILITIESFROM - full email address only

2. Fix - QUEUEFILE_SAVEFILE log shows incorrect directory path

3. Add - Error in SM envelope file: if errors are found the mail will 
be moved to the error directory

4. Add - If the headers files are not found then the data file is moved 
to error directory.

5. Add - A new vulnerability test NONSTANDARDCRLF will be included to 
check for the end of the headers.

David B
www.declude.com

________________________________

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
Matt
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:04 PM
To: declude.virus@declude.com
Subject: Re: [Declude.Virus] New Virus: zipped word doc with 
Macro-Virus


John,

Not to say that this wouldn't be something that is nice to have, I can 
think of dozens of things that are very largely useful on a much more 
regular basis.  In fact, the current functionality provides an 
appropriate mechanism for blocking these as-is.

I would just simply like to see Declude catch up by fixing the known 
bugs first.  When they catch up, then certainly they should consider 
feature requests, but it would make sense focus on new tests and 
improving existing ones, along with refining functionality.  I will 
personally continue to hold back from such discussions until it is 
clear that they are capable of handling the bugs.

Sorry to make an example of you here; that's not the intention of 
course.  I just thought that it would be constructive to point this 
stuff out for the benefit of Declude and it's customers alike.

Matt



John T (Lists) wrote: 

	I know. :(
	
	Declude, this is a feature who's time has come.
	
	John T
	eServices For You
	
	"Seek, and ye shall find!"
	
	
	  

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Behalf Of 
  
Markus
		Gufler
		Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 3:10 PM
		To: declude.virus@declude.com
		Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] New Virus: zipped word doc with
    

  
Macro-Virus
		
		As I know yes but
		
		BANNAME my_notebook.doc
		
		wouldn't work for files within zip-archives.
		
		Markus
		
		    

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			Behalf Of John T (Lists)
			Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:48 PM
			To: declude.virus@declude.com
			Subject: RE: [Declude.Virus] New Virus: zipped word
    
doc with
  
			Macro-Virus
			
			Is the word document only named that?
			
			John T
			eServices For You
			
			"Seek, and ye shall find!"
			
			      

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				Markus Gufler
				Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:32 AM
				To: declude.virus@declude.com
				Subject: [Declude.Virus] New Virus: zipped
    
word doc with 
  
Macro-Virus
				
				Some of us has noted in the past two hours
    
that messages with an
  
				zip-file
				        

			as
			      

				attachment has passed our virus filters
				
				It's a zip-file containing a MS Word
    
Document named
  
				        

			"my_notebook.doc"
			      

				Most Virus-Scanners can't catch it.
Virustotal has returned
				        

			only two
			      

				scanners with positive results
				
				Sophos has found "WM97/Kukudro-A"
				UNA has found a "Macro Virus"
				
				No other AV-Engine has catched the
suspicious file.
				
				We've added the following lines to our
    
virus.cfg in order
  
				        

			to block as
			      

				much was we can at the moment.
				
				BANNAME prices.zip
				BANNAME apple_prices.zip
				BANNAME sony_prices.zip
				BANNAME hp_prices.zip
				BANNAME dell_prices.zip
				BANNAME My_Notebook.doc
				
				Regards
				Markus
				
				
				
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