Robert, the loyalty you mention is generally from people who are comfortable with what they are using and are afraid to make the change. Or have spent a lot of time learning a language and don't want to learn another. Maybe have invested a lot of money on 3rd party components.
On this list we have heard people saying VS is crap, VB is crap, and C #is crap. I imagine these people have spent less than 5 minutes on those platforms. Then again, VB, C#, Java users will say Delphi is crap and most likely they saw Delphi at a trade show and have never used it. People will continually bag the other compilers, it appears to be developer human nature. People are generally happy with what they are used to. However, we must also look at who pays for the products. a user can buy their own copy or steal it from the company they work for. There are very few users on this list who have the Enterprise edition. If they did, there would be a flood of complaints about costs of upgrades. When looking at value for money, then MS has to win. You get what you pay for and more. In the case of Borland, you generally pay a premium price for an annual upgrade to new version, whereas MS upgrades once every 3 to 4 years. With Borland you can be assured that the first version doesn't work, the first update fixes 360 bugs in the first version, the 2nd update fixes all the problems that update one generated and update 3 is usually stable. When the 3rd update is released, Borland are planning the next version update. By the time Borland has reached Delphi 2011, MS will have release VS 2007 - they usually skip a version. In this thread it seems most are content with D5 or D7, use the professional version and don't really want to upgrade. I don't blame them, the stuff on D2005 that came through turned me off another upgrade. Those that I know that did upgrade have all gone back to their previous version. In my case, I have always used the Enterprise version of Delphi and Enterprise Architect of VS because of the nature of my development work. The cost for me to upgrade Delphi is significant compared to any upgrades to VS. In VS, I get all their compilers and get value for money. Incidentally, in the country that I live in, more company's are moving to the .NET environment and insist that the development be done in either VB or C#. Therefore if you want work, you have to at least know one of those languages. Delphi is not an option. Then again, there have been a lot of ads for Delphi programmers that are not being filled as there aren't many around now. Interesting where they have all gone. If you are a developer for the corporate sector, they prefer the MS development environment. They have deals with MS, the IT staff are MS savvy, they want internal staff to support the developed application. I you are a hobbyist or do small scale development, then of course Delphi will be your preferred environment. If you want to make heaps of bucks, then you should add a MS language to your arsenal. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Meek Sent: Monday, 17 October 2005 6:10 PM To: 'Delphi-Talk Discussion List' Subject: RE: Delphi 2006 Announced...moved from Delphi List Now I'm curious! Considering everything that was "officially" said about D8 and D9, what is it about what has been officially said about D2006 that makes you even consider it will be any better? One thing Borland is NOT short of it seems is a loyal fan base. And I admit to having been such a loyal believer myself, but when you get right down to it, the things that made such loyal followers out of so many of us were accomplished in the first half of Delphi's tenure! Since then they have ceased being the innovators they used to be and have become the followers! I thought I was being too loyal when after a useless D8 I still went out and bought D9! But you're hooked even worse than I was because you have two versions sitting on your shelf proving that your loyalty is misplaced! Loyalty is something only family gets without constant reaffirmation. Loyalty to anyone or anything else has to be earned at every turn of the road, and Borland has made two left turns without doing so! How and why do they rate such loyalty from you? from: Robert Meek at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] dba "Tangentals Design" home of "PoBoy" freeware Windows apps and utilities located at: www.TangentalsDesign.com Proud to be a moderator for the "Delphi Programming Lists" at: elists.org __________________________________________________ Delphi-Talk mailing list -> [email protected] http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/delphi-talk
