You said: "I think the downsides are no worse than a company like MS buying
the toolset."

        With that I certainly DO agree!  But I truly believe there are much
too may problems of a corporate nature that would have to be dealt with
first for anything like what you are suggesting to ever actually happen.  I
won't go over them again because they've all been said  and repeated a
thousand times already everywhere, but simply the fact that Borland is an
open company with public holders AND holdings, would seem to suggest that
they couldn't simply throw away that portion of the company!  There's be a
hanging or two in the valley if they tried to do something like that,
besides, just the patent sharing and licensing alone would probably choke
any attempted moves in that direction!  

from Robert Meek dba Tangentals Design  CCopyright 2006

"When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come to the conclusion
that the gift of Fantasy has meant more to me then my talent for absorbing
positive knowledge!"
                                                    Albert Einstein


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On Behalf Of Cameron Cole
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Borland to sell off developer tools

> I have to agree with you.  The Open Source community efforts I've
> see move much too slow to favor the professional, and BDS itself is just 
> too
> big to leave to a disparate group of self-interested parties.  Look at the
> Jedi group.  They have one of the biggest followings around...more people
> use their libraries than not, and yet they can't get the manpower to make
> fixes to components that are years old!  And one of the biggest reasons I
> believe this is true is because committees or not, these groups are always
> "run" by one or two devoted people who set down the rules and lead the 
> way.
> I've seen too many arguments among top-level members start on the open
> groups and then be taken privately to even imagine what it must be like on
> them!  I realize this is as necessary as it is bad for them...such is 
> life!

Open Source isn't always a small group of people pushing something along. 
There are examples of large open source projects such as MySQL, RedHat, 
JBoss and Apache that are enormously successful.  My point is that without 
doing something radical, Delphi is doomed to be an ever shrinking language 
base and Borland knows it.  It has maybe a 1% chance to break out into 
something more.  Delphi has the seeds of being such a language with its 
extremely devoted following.  Lets face it if you are still writing new 
Delphi code, you are almost certainly a Delphi fanatic and the good news is 
there are still lots of us out there.

I think the best chance is to create a MySQL-esk type model where home 
developers get a free do all powerful OO language and corporations sponsor 
the development and furthering of the tool.  I am not saying it would be 
easy or even feasible given the issues, but imagine the upside that open 
source could bring.  I think the downsides are no worse than a company like 
MS buying the toolset. 

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