I'm not sure if dropping DNT is a good solution. It seems to me that we fought hard to champion DNT and get vendors onboard together with online services. I also have the feeling that it's became a brand like feature recognised by the general public. It makes complete sense to merge into a more global settings, but it'd rather clearly state that this settings does both PT AND DNT.
On 15 October 2015 at 18:08, Tiffanie Shakespeare <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ben! Thanks for taking the time to review the spec and provide feedback. > > I totally agree that the difference between Tracking Protection (TP) and > Do Not Track (DNT) is a very subtle difference that will be lost on most > users. For now though, both TP and DNT are in Settings and it was our goal > to try and make that subtlety more clear and obvious than the current > implementation. > > But I would love to see DNT dropped out of Settings as it feels redundant. > Can you champion this cause? > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Benjamin Francis <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> From the Settings mockup: >> >> *Tracking Protection* >> Protect your browsing activity against potential trackers in all new >> windows. >> >> *Do Not Track* >> Request websites and apps not to track you. >> >> >> There's a pretty subtle difference between these two features in this >> implementation. If I understand it correctly, Do Not Track is asking web >> sites nicely not to track you whereas Tracking Protection actively blocks >> certain network traffic. But are users going to understand this distinction? >> >> On 14 October 2015 at 17:34, Tiffanie Shakespeare < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hey guys - I'm the designer of this feature along with Katie. >>> >>> Desktop and Fennec do not offer (via UI) a way to enable tracking >>> protection in regular browsing - it's only available in private browsing >>> windows (it's not a mode). These two platforms offer a default setting >>> (when I open a new private window it's enabled or disabled by default) as >>> well as a control in the control center (tap the lock or globe icon) to >>> temporarily change it. >>> >>> On fxos, we have the opportunity to make tracking protection available >>> for all browsing windows. Since the default setting controls both types >>> of windows, we chose to have it disabled by default. >>> >>> Fxos will also have a control panel with a way to temporarily >>> enable/disable it but unfortunately this will not make it into 2.5. >>> >>> You can find the spec here: >>> https://mozilla.box.com/s/u7947aapnpqlsmcj4e7lqhk7x2yiv0r0 >>> >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Javaun Moradi <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There are two Gecko platform prefs for TP, one for normal mode, one for >>>> PBM (private browsing mode). >>>> >>>> We flip the PBM on by default in Firefox for private windows in both >>>> desktop and Fennec. (Technically, one can turn it on in desktop/Fennec >>>> normal mode via about:config, but there’s no way to turn it on in via >>>> UI. ) >>>> >>>> It shouldn’t be on globally, definitely not. It should be a conscious >>>> user choice, in our case the decision to enter PBM. >>>> >>>> >>>> Javaun Moradi | [email protected] | IRC: javaun | @javaun >>>> >>>> On Oct 14, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Erin Lancaster <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> That's correct. Tracking Protection is enabled by default only in >>>> Private Browsing mode for Firefox Desktop and in Private Tabs for Firefox >>>> Android as of 42.0 which goes GA on Nov 3rd. >>>> >>>> Erin >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Peter Dolanjski < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Fennec enables tracking protection by default ONLY for private tabs. >>>>> There doesn't seem to be a way to enable it in regular tabs. >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Fabrice Desré <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/14/2015 01:31 AM, Etienne Segonzac wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Michael Henretty >>>>>> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Tracking Protection in 2.5 is going to be dead simple. There is >>>>>> 1 >>>>>> > global setting that controls Tracking Protection for all web >>>>>> content >>>>>> > and is off by default. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Can we make it on by default for private tabs? >>>>>> > (for cross-product consistency purpose, if that's not what desktop >>>>>> will >>>>>> > do then nevermind :) ) >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately it's a global setting on b2g. So we can't turn it on >>>>>> only >>>>>> for private tabs. I haven't checked what desktop implemented either, >>>>>> but >>>>>> if they have per-tab control I agree with Etienne's suggestion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fabrice >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Fabrice Desré >>>>>> b2g team >>>>>> Mozilla Corporation >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> dev-fxos mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> dev-fxos mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> dev-fxos mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dev-fxos mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos >>> >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > dev-fxos mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > -- Guillaume Marty @g_marty http://gu.illau.me
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