The problem I see is that although a lot of work has been done around DNT and its recognition is high, unfortunately it's not yet enforced in the Web as demonstrated by many researchers as in [1]. Hence, if it's kept as something visible to the users, it should be clear to them that there is no guarantee this is going to be honoured.
With tracking protection, Firefox does not rely on anyone honouring the requests, as the traffic is cut directly by the browser, so I think the value to the users could be stated more clearly. [1] http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.5281 El viernes, 16 de octubre de 2015, 11:11:08 (UTC+2), Guillaume Marty escribió: > I'm not sure if dropping DNT is a good solution. It seems to me that we > fought hard to champion DNT and get vendors onboard together with online > services. I also have the feeling that it's became a brand like feature > recognised by the general public. > It makes complete sense to merge into a more global settings, but it'd rather > clearly state that this settings does both PT AND DNT. > > > > On 15 October 2015 at 18:08, Tiffanie Shakespeare <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi Ben! Thanks for taking the time to review the spec and provide feedback. > > I totally agree that the difference between Tracking Protection (TP) and Do > Not Track (DNT) is a very subtle difference that will be lost on most users. > For now though, both TP and DNT are in Settings and it was our goal to try > and make that subtlety more clear and obvious than the current implementation. > > But I would love to see DNT dropped out of Settings as it feels redundant. > Can you champion this cause? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Benjamin Francis <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From the Settings mockup: > > > Tracking Protection > Protect your browsing activity against potential trackers in all new windows. > > Do Not Track > Request websites and apps not to track you. > > > > There's a pretty subtle difference between these two features in this > implementation. If I understand it correctly, Do Not Track is asking web > sites nicely not to track you whereas Tracking Protection actively blocks > certain network traffic. But are users going to understand this distinction? > > > > > > On 14 October 2015 at 17:34, Tiffanie Shakespeare <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hey guys - I'm the designer of this feature along with Katie. > > Desktop and Fennec do not offer (via UI) a way to enable tracking protection > in regular browsing - it's only available in private browsing windows (it's > not a mode). These two platforms offer a default setting (when I open a new > private window it's enabled or disabled by default) as well as a control in > the control center (tap the lock or globe icon) to temporarily change it. > > > > On fxos, we have the opportunity to make tracking protection available for > all browsing windows. Since the default setting controls both types of > windows, we chose to have it disabled by default. > > Fxos will also have a control panel with a way to temporarily enable/disable > it but unfortunately this will not make it into 2.5. > > > You can find the spec here: > https://mozilla.box.com/s/u7947aapnpqlsmcj4e7lqhk7x2yiv0r0 > > > Thanks!! > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Javaun Moradi <[email protected]> wrote: > > There are two Gecko platform prefs for TP, one for normal mode, one for PBM > (private browsing mode). > > > We flip the PBM on by default in Firefox for private windows in both desktop > and Fennec. (Technically, one can turn it on in desktop/Fennec normal mode > via about:config, but there's no way to turn it on in via UI. ) > > > It shouldn't be on globally, definitely not. It should be a conscious user > choice, in our case the decision to enter PBM. > > > > > > > Javaun Moradi | [email protected] | IRC: javaun | @javaun > > > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2015, at 11:27 AM, Erin Lancaster <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > That's correct. Tracking Protection is enabled by default only in Private > Browsing mode for Firefox Desktop and in Private Tabs for Firefox Android as > of 42.0 which goes GA on Nov 3rd. > > Erin > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Peter Dolanjski <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Fennec enables tracking protection by default ONLY for private tabs. There > doesn't seem to be a way to enable it in regular tabs. > > Peter > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Fabrice Desré <[email protected]> wrote: > On 10/14/2015 01:31 AM, Etienne Segonzac wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Michael Henretty > > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Tracking Protection in 2.5 is going to be dead simple. There is 1 > > > global setting that controls Tracking Protection for all web content > > > and is off by default. > > > > > > > > > Can we make it on by default for private tabs? > > > (for cross-product consistency purpose, if that's not what desktop will > > > do then nevermind :) ) > > > > Unfortunately it's a global setting on b2g. So we can't turn it on only > > for private tabs. I haven't checked what desktop implemented either, but > > if they have per-tab control I agree with Etienne's suggestion. > > > > Fabrice > > -- > > Fabrice Desré > > b2g team > > Mozilla Corporation > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-fxos mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-fxos mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-fxos mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-fxos mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dev-fxos mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos > > > > > > -- > > > > > Guillaume Marty > @g_marty > http://gu.illau.me _______________________________________________ dev-fxos mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/dev-fxos
