Thanks Patrick – that’s great information.  This high of failure rate is why 
the  CASC and DigiCert are encouraging OCSP stapling as the best way to move 
forward.

Jeremy

From: patrick.ducks...@gmail.com [mailto:patrick.ducks...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Patrick McManus
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Subject: Re: New wiki page on certificate revocation plans

Firefox 31 data:
on desktop the median successful OCSP validation took 261ms, and the 95th 
percentile (looking at just the universe of successful ones) was over 1300ms. 
9% of all OCSP requests on desktop timed out completely and aren't counted in 
those numbers.
on mobile the median successful validation was 372ms with the 95th percentile 
over 1500ms. 20% of all requests on mobile timed out completely and aren't 
counted in those numbers.

OCSP is brutally painful.

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy Rowley 
<jeremy.row...@digicert.com<mailto:jeremy.row...@digicert.com>> wrote:
Seems like a lot of anecdotes are being shared with respect to hard fail 
without a lot of data.  Do the browsers have more data on this?  Considering 
the X.509 labs shows nearly 100% availability with response times of about 100 
ms, data showing in-depth info on failure rates (and the reasons why) would 
help drive the discussion in a productive direction.

Jeremy

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Am 01.08.2014 12:11, schrieb 
simon.zer...@gmail.com<mailto:simon.zer...@gmail.com>:
> Where is the evidence that OSCP hard fails and these speed issues are
> actually a problem in the real world?

Try it on a site with an unknown issuer.

The handshake takes at least 30 seconds longer, because thats the time you need 
to turn off hard fail in the browser UI.
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