Hi Johan, its great to know that you are earning so much money from Apache ActiveMQ!
I want the best experience for the end user of ActiveMQ - and that’s it - simple. Right now that’s hawtio. The old web console is frankly well beyond love - but I can understand from a money making point of view you wouldn’t want to have hawtio as an option of end users. Which is why moving it to a sub-project will allow you and your colleagues to work on it - you’ll probably get even more money from your customers - or you could just save the hard work - skin hawtio however you like (Johan’s Console) - and make a mint yay! What ever happens in the community, what ever console we use, if nobody uses hawtio ever again, if folks went bananas and started using other OS solutions - I and my “Fuse” (top 10 on [1]). colleagues get payed the same. We don’t have an interest in this for financial gain, let alone agree on what should happen - apart from the old web console is something we don’t want to work on - but when you’ve been fixing crappy bugs in for a while [1] - you may feel the same way. When you get a salary/bonus/shares regardless - it enables you to make decisions that’s best for the users - I don’t think that anyone else (your colleagues or partner companies) who want so desperately to keep the old console, have the same objectivity. Just so its all out there - hawtio is open source, is AS2 licence - and the community is diverse. More than one large company uses it directly in their products. Where hawtio lives, what direction it takes is entirely down to the hawtio community - my employer - Red Hat really doesn’t care - hawtio isn’t at the ASF for other reasons. [1] https://www.ohloh.net/p/activemq/contributors?query=&sort=commits On 30 Jan 2014, at 05:41, Johan Edstrom <[email protected]> wrote: > A big -1 that is non binding. > > I'm tired of this shit, let us put it all on the table. > I probably made around 75k USD last year supporting and writing code around > AMQ. > If you count the other work I probably made closer to 300k USD, so yes I'm > really open. > > I'm working with or I am surrounded by the people that benefit from what AMQ > does. > > So I'll go on and list the rest of the people here - Just from the last post. > > Dejan, +1 - RedHat > Hiram, +1 - RedHat > Rob +1 - RedHat, > Claus +1 RedHat, > > I could go on, I could also put their purchase history from Fuse to RedHat, > inspect AS Server Modules and SwitchYard. > Then I could ask if there was a monetary gain in Hawt (WTF?) is introduced > into > Jiras, emails, mailing lists or whatever the hell else? > > So - we have a PMC telling us that not using ASF code but rather RH code is > good > - since it is Secure, > - since it isn't the 90's > - since it is what the customer wants? > > Does anyone actually believe this load of shit? > > > > On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Earls <[email protected]> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dejan Bosanac <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> Regards >>> -- >>> Dejan Bosanac >>> ---------------------- >>> Red Hat, Inc. >>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >>> [email protected] >>> Twitter: @dejanb >>> Blog: http://sensatic.net >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, James Strachan >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> +1 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28 January 2014 15:18, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Since there seems to be general agreement that the web-console should >>>>> be moved to a sub-project, lets put it to a vote and make it official. >>>>> >>>>> [ ] +1 Create the activemq-web-console sub-project with the associated >>>>> git, wiki, and jira spaces. >>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the making it a sub-project >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> James >>>> ------- >>>> Red Hat >>>> >>>> Email: [email protected] >>>> Web: http://fusesource.com >>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews >>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> Open Source Integration >>>> >> > Rob Davies ———————— Red Hat, Inc http://hawt.io - #dontcha Twitter: rajdavies Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/
