At the risk of making someone unhappy I'll throw in my 2-cents from an user's perspective.
I do see some advantage to providing official AMQ support for hawtio and getting rid of the current console. At the same time I also understand the hesitation to completely punt the console to a different project (yes I understand there is developer overlap and all but it's still a different group than the PMC). As a compromise what if the AMQ project were to do two things: 1) Bundle a skinned version of hawt.io as part of the AMQ distribution. 2) Fork the current hawt.io AMQ plugin and control it under the AMQ project and deploy that version instead of the default one from hawt.io. That gives the benefit of the hawt.io framework but still gives the PMC complete control of what is shown to the users in regards to AMQ. Personally I think that approach makes a lot of sense for most of the plugins and maybe eventually the hawt.io project can just point to the various projects for users to get the plugins and won't maintain them themselves. Chris On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[email protected]> wrote: > Oops, didn't realize that some of the parties are actually not on private@. > Maybe in private then. > > Hadrian > > > > On 01/30/2014 11:11 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote: > >> Rob, please stop stretching the truth. I would strongly encourage you >> guys if you really want to continue the discussion on this tone to do it on >> private@. >> >> Cheers, >> Hadrian >> >> >> On 01/30/2014 03:10 AM, Robert Davies wrote: >> >>> Hi Johan, >>> >>> its great to know that you are earning so much money from Apache >>> ActiveMQ! >>> >>> I want the best experience for the end user of ActiveMQ - and that's >>> it - simple. Right now that's hawtio. The old web console is frankly well >>> beyond love - but I can understand from a money making point of view you >>> wouldn't want to have hawtio as an option of end users. Which is why moving >>> it to a sub-project will allow you and your colleagues to work on it - >>> you'll probably get even more money from your customers - or you could just >>> save the hard work - skin hawtio however you like (Johan's Console) - and >>> make a mint yay! >>> >>> What ever happens in the community, what ever console we use, if nobody >>> uses hawtio ever again, if folks went bananas and started using other OS >>> solutions - I and my "Fuse" (top 10 on [1]). colleagues get payed the >>> same. We don't have an interest in this for financial gain, let alone agree >>> on what should happen - apart from the old web console is something we >>> don't want to work on - but when you've been fixing crappy bugs in for a >>> while [1] - you may feel the same way. >>> >>> When you get a salary/bonus/shares regardless - it enables you to make >>> decisions that's best for the users - I don't think that anyone else (your >>> colleagues or partner companies) who want so desperately to keep the old >>> console, have the same objectivity. >>> >>> >>> Just so its all out there - hawtio is open source, is AS2 licence - and >>> the community is diverse. More than one large company uses it directly in >>> their products. Where hawtio lives, what direction it takes is entirely >>> down to the hawtio community - my employer - Red Hat really doesn't care - >>> hawtio isn't at the ASF for other reasons. >>> >>> >>> [1] https://www.ohloh.net/p/activemq/contributors?query=&sort=commits >>> >>> >>> On 30 Jan 2014, at 05:41, Johan Edstrom <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> A big -1 that is non binding. >>>> >>>> I'm tired of this shit, let us put it all on the table. >>>> I probably made around 75k USD last year supporting and writing code >>>> around AMQ. >>>> If you count the other work I probably made closer to 300k USD, so yes >>>> I'm really open. >>>> >>>> I'm working with or I am surrounded by the people that benefit from >>>> what AMQ does. >>>> >>>> So I'll go on and list the rest of the people here - Just from the last >>>> post. >>>> >>>> Dejan, +1 - RedHat >>>> Hiram, +1 - RedHat >>>> Rob +1 - RedHat, >>>> Claus +1 RedHat, >>>> >>>> I could go on, I could also put their purchase history from Fuse to >>>> RedHat, >>>> inspect AS Server Modules and SwitchYard. >>>> Then I could ask if there was a monetary gain in Hawt (WTF?) is >>>> introduced into >>>> Jiras, emails, mailing lists or whatever the hell else? >>>> >>>> So - we have a PMC telling us that not using ASF code but rather RH >>>> code is good >>>> - since it is Secure, >>>> - since it isn't the 90's >>>> - since it is what the customer wants? >>>> >>>> Does anyone actually believe this load of shit? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Earls <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dejan Bosanac <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dejan Bosanac >>>>>> ---------------------- >>>>>> Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>> FuseSource is now part of Red Hat >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Twitter: @dejanb >>>>>> Blog: http://sensatic.net >>>>>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, James Strachan < >>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> +1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 28 January 2014 15:18, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since there seems to be general agreement that the web-console >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>> be moved to a sub-project, lets put it to a vote and make it >>>>>>>> official. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Create the activemq-web-console sub-project with the >>>>>>>> associated >>>>>>>> git, wiki, and jira spaces. >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 Veto the making it a sub-project >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Hiram Chirino >>>>>>>> Engineering | Red Hat, Inc. >>>>>>>> [email protected] | fusesource.com | redhat.com >>>>>>>> skype: hiramchirino | twitter: @hiramchirino >>>>>>>> blog: Hiram Chirino's Bit Mojo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> James >>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>> Red Hat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Email: [email protected] >>>>>>> Web: http://fusesource.com >>>>>>> Twitter: jstrachan, fusenews >>>>>>> Blog: http://macstrac.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Open Source Integration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rob Davies >>> ---------------- >>> Red Hat, Inc >>> http://hawt.io - #dontcha >>> Twitter: rajdavies >>> Blog: http://rajdavies.blogspot.com >>> ActiveMQ in Action: http://www.manning.com/snyder/ >>> >>> >>> >> >
