Rob, please stop stretching the truth. I would strongly encourage you
guys if you really want to continue the discussion on this tone to do it
on private@.
Cheers,
Hadrian
On 01/30/2014 03:10 AM, Robert Davies wrote:
Hi Johan,
its great to know that you are earning so much money from Apache ActiveMQ!
I want the best experience for the end user of ActiveMQ - and that’s it -
simple. Right now that’s hawtio. The old web console is frankly well beyond
love - but I can understand from a money making point of view you wouldn’t want
to have hawtio as an option of end users. Which is why moving it to a
sub-project will allow you and your colleagues to work on it - you’ll probably
get even more money from your customers - or you could just save the hard work
- skin hawtio however you like (Johan’s Console) - and make a mint yay!
What ever happens in the community, what ever console we use, if nobody uses
hawtio ever again, if folks went bananas and started using other OS solutions
- I and my “Fuse” (top 10 on [1]). colleagues get payed the same. We don’t
have an interest in this for financial gain, let alone agree on what should
happen - apart from the old web console is something we don’t want to work on -
but when you’ve been fixing crappy bugs in for a while [1] - you may feel the
same way.
When you get a salary/bonus/shares regardless - it enables you to make
decisions that’s best for the users - I don’t think that anyone else (your
colleagues or partner companies) who want so desperately to keep the old
console, have the same objectivity.
Just so its all out there - hawtio is open source, is AS2 licence - and the
community is diverse. More than one large company uses it directly in their
products. Where hawtio lives, what direction it takes is entirely down to the
hawtio community - my employer - Red Hat really doesn’t care - hawtio isn’t at
the ASF for other reasons.
[1] https://www.ohloh.net/p/activemq/contributors?query=&sort=commits
On 30 Jan 2014, at 05:41, Johan Edstrom <[email protected]> wrote:
A big -1 that is non binding.
I'm tired of this shit, let us put it all on the table.
I probably made around 75k USD last year supporting and writing code around AMQ.
If you count the other work I probably made closer to 300k USD, so yes I'm
really open.
I'm working with or I am surrounded by the people that benefit from what AMQ
does.
So I'll go on and list the rest of the people here - Just from the last post.
Dejan, +1 - RedHat
Hiram, +1 - RedHat
Rob +1 - RedHat,
Claus +1 RedHat,
I could go on, I could also put their purchase history from Fuse to RedHat,
inspect AS Server Modules and SwitchYard.
Then I could ask if there was a monetary gain in Hawt (WTF?) is introduced into
Jiras, emails, mailing lists or whatever the hell else?
So - we have a PMC telling us that not using ASF code but rather RH code is good
- since it is Secure,
- since it isn't the 90's
- since it is what the customer wants?
Does anyone actually believe this load of shit?
On Jan 29, 2014, at 12:14 PM, Kevin Earls <[email protected]> wrote:
+1
On Jan 29, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Dejan Bosanac <[email protected]> wrote:
+1
Regards
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On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:01 AM, James Strachan <[email protected]>wrote:
+1
On 28 January 2014 15:18, Hiram Chirino <[email protected]> wrote:
Since there seems to be general agreement that the web-console should
be moved to a sub-project, lets put it to a vote and make it official.
[ ] +1 Create the activemq-web-console sub-project with the associated
git, wiki, and jira spaces.
[ ] -1 Veto the making it a sub-project
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