Hi to all,

Sorry for not replying sooner, but I have been following the thread closely. 

It is quite obvious we need to find more people that will be active in the 
Amaterasu project.
Yaniv and myself are often communicating through private channels (and I 
believe other developers are doing the same), and as an improvement, we need to 
make Amaterasu related discussions through this mailing list.
A lot of the features and milestones discussions (some of them are mentioned 
here like the Travis build) should be discussed here, and that is something all 
of the active developers of the project should start to do, in my opinion.

Besides that, i agree with all the points raised here, and do think that the 
main “beyond-the-code” goal should be growing the community around Amaterasu.

Thank you,
Eyal



On 27. March 2018 at 07:12:04, Davor Bonaci (da...@apache.org) wrote:

Anybody else?  

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Yaniv Rodenski <ya...@shinto.io> wrote:  

> Thanks Davor,  
>  
> Points taken, we will learn and improve on those.  
>  
> Just one clearification, I was not blaming the mentor I myself was more  
> focused on working with Guy on automating the build than following up.  
> Rereading my own response I can see that was unclear.  
>  
>  
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 at 11:02 am, Davor Bonaci <da...@apache.org> wrote:  
>  
> > Thanks for a great response. Some comments inline.  
> >  
> > * In the last month we have been working on automating the release  
> process  
> > > via Travis, we are still trying to enable Travis build for the  
> Amaterasu  
> > > repo, which is taking ridiculously long. We need one of the mentors to  
> > just  
> > > enable it via their account (I've already talked a couple of times to  
> one  
> > > of the mentors about it).  
> > >  
> >  
> > Searching for 'travis' in the mailing list archives doesn't yield any  
> > discussion threads.  
> >  
> > Mentors don't have permission to do this themselves. Infra JIRA is the  
> way  
> > to do it, but I couldn't find such JIRA ticket filed.  
> >  
> > Emailing one mentor directly (or any other community member) isn't a way  
> to  
> > build the community. Things need to be discussed in public whenever  
> > possible.  
> >  
> > Given the above, blaming a mentor (whomever you may be referring to)  
> > doesn't make sense.  
> >  
> > * We are ready to release version 0.2.0-incubating, the reason it took  
> us a  
> > > month to initiate the process is the above automated build, which I  
> > > suggested in prior discussion and had no rejections. We will complete  
> > this  
> > > once build is enabled.  
> > >  
> >  
> > The release itself is a great milestone, but not the purpose to itself.  
> >  
> >  
> > > * as for community growth, we are working with two organizations on  
> > running  
> > > POCs (which will hopefully grow the user base) one of them is due to  
> > start  
> > > very soon. I don't want to name them (first of all it's too early, and  
> > also  
> > > it is for them to decide if they want to share) but a representative  
> from  
> > > at least one of those organisations is on the list and is welcomed to  
> > share  
> > > :)  
> > >  
> >  
> > Great!  
> >  
> >  
> > > * This year I've seen contributions from 4 contributors (not much more  
> > than  
> > > 3, I know) but one of them is new (Guy Peleg) and AFAIK additional  
> > > longer-term work is done by one more contributor on his local fork  
> (Nadav  
> > > Har-Tzvi)  
> > >  
> >  
> > I think this is the crux of the problem. Why is longer-term work going on  
> > in a local fork?  
> >  
> >  
> > > * We should be presenting more, and growing the community more which is  
> > > hard to do starting out as a tiny community. Any advice given there  
> would  
> > > be appreciated.  
> > >  
> >  
> > The first thing has to be do the basics well: on-list communication, open  
> > discussions, no side channels, etc.  
> >  
> --  
> Yaniv Rodenski  
>  
> +61 477 778 405  
> ya...@shinto.io  
>  

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