Hi Luca,

Yes is true, gitter clients on Android and iOS not the best, also zulip
looks nice, however my concerns would be the maintenance overhead, we have
now gitter and mailing list which is enough I think. If we introduce a
third tool, this could be annoying to keep track of, is just my personal
opinion on this of course.

Also, it would be nice if we can evaluate zulip on a small scale and
compare it with gitter.

On the chat topic, it would be nice if we can have a `dev` room where we
can discuss dev topics in relation to Camel (something similar to Debezium
dev channel on gitter), instead of email/jira as sometimes brainstorming as
async manner would make more sense.

Regards,
Omar

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the
> various camel projects and  overall the user experience was quite terrible
> for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example:
>
> - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages are
> messing up
> - messages are extremely slow to load and sometime the message you sent
> take quite long to be visible even on your end so you don't actually know
> what it is happening
> - messages keep being marked as unread even if you did read them
> - sometimes you need to close/reopen the thread sidebar to see new messages
> for a given thread
>
> I don't know if it is only me but because of my frustration with the tool
> I'd like to know if anyone is interested in evaluating some alternatives
> (please note that we DON'T necessarily need to switch to something
> different).
>
> I'd personally would like to suggest to try out Zulip (
> https://zulipchat.com/) as it allow us to have an independent
> organization (
> camel.zulipchat.com) and to login with github/gitter/google so you can
> easily join without having to fill gazillion of details but I know it's
> streams and topic way of organizing conversations may not be optimal for
> everyone.
>
> If anyone has suggestions, let discuss here.
>
>
> ---
> Luca Burgazzoli
>

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