Hi Cameleers,
I also think Gitter is a bit hard to follow, especially when there are
a lot of messages flowing by (reminds me of IRC).

I do wonder how Zulip would be set up, I don't see an OpenSource plan
on zulipchat.com[1] and I don't think it's good practice for an open
source community to lose messages. Gitter offers unlimited history[2].

We could try to ask INFRA to provide a Zulip service Camel/ASF wide.

zoran

[1] https://zulipchat.com/plans/
[2] https://gitter.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202169471-Message-history

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter on the
> various camel projects and  overall the user experience was quite terrible
> for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example:
>
> - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages are
> messing up
> - messages are extremely slow to load and sometime the message you sent
> take quite long to be visible even on your end so you don't actually know
> what it is happening
> - messages keep being marked as unread even if you did read them
> - sometimes you need to close/reopen the thread sidebar to see new messages
> for a given thread
>
> I don't know if it is only me but because of my frustration with the tool
> I'd like to know if anyone is interested in evaluating some alternatives
> (please note that we DON'T necessarily need to switch to something
> different).
>
> I'd personally would like to suggest to try out Zulip (
> https://zulipchat.com/) as it allow us to have an independent organization (
> camel.zulipchat.com) and to login with github/gitter/google so you can
> easily join without having to fill gazillion of details but I know it's
> streams and topic way of organizing conversations may not be optimal for
> everyone.
>
> If anyone has suggestions, let discuss here.
>
>
> ---
> Luca Burgazzoli



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