I'd also give my vote on this:

+1 zulip
-1 gitter
0 slack

Regards

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 1:40 PM Claus Ibsen <claus.ib...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Thanks for the zulip testing experience.
>
> +1 for zulip
> -1 for slack
> 0 for staying on gitter
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 12:16 PM Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > So I've created a new Zulip organization for testing purposes here:
> > https://camel-test.zulipchat.com (I've named it camel-test as there's an
> > option to import gitter chats but can be done only for new organization)
> > Anyone should be able to join using github/gitlab/google, by mail or with
> > an invitation.
> >
> > I've also had some discussion with the Zulip team as well as other teams
> > using Zulip and I can confirm that it is possible to request a standard
> > plan for open source so we can get rid of the message history issue.
> >
> > ---
> > Luca Burgazzoli
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 11:22 AM Zoran Regvart <zo...@regvart.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Never mind, found the answer in the second link you posted:
> > >
> > > https://zulipchat.com/for/open-source/
> > >
> > > “Free hosting at zulip.com.
> > > The hosting is supported by (and is identical to) zulip.com’s
> commercial
> > > offerings. This offer extends to any community involved in supporting
> free
> > > and open source software: development projects, foundations, meetups,
> > > hackathons, conference committees, and more. If you’re not sure whether
> > > your organization qualifies, send us an email at supp...@zulip.com.”
> > >
> > > zoran
> > > --
> > > Sent from mobile
> > >
> > > > On 21. Aug 2020, at 11:18, Zoran Regvart <zo...@regvart.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Luca,
> > > > are you referring to “Funds the Zulip open source project“? I read
> that
> > > as “it provides funding to Zulip project”.
> > > >
> > > > zoran
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from mobile
> > > >
> > > >> On 21. Aug 2020, at 10:07, Luca Burgazzoli <lburgazz...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Luca Burgazzoli
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:23 PM Zoran Regvart <zo...@regvart.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Hi Cameleers,
> > > >>> I also think Gitter is a bit hard to follow, especially when there
> are
> > > >>> a lot of messages flowing by (reminds me of IRC).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I do wonder how Zulip would be set up, I don't see an OpenSource
> plan
> > > >>> on zulipchat.com[1] and I don't think it's good practice for an
> open
> > > >>> source community to lose messages. Gitter offers unlimited
> history[2].
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> It looks like that zulip cloud standard is free for open source
> projects
> > > >> according to the FAQs https://zulipchat.com/plans or I'm reading it
> > > wrong ?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> We could try to ask INFRA to provide a Zulip service Camel/ASF
> wide.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> zoran
> > > >>>
> > > >>> [1] https://zulipchat.com/plans/
> > > >>> [2]
> > > https://gitter.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/202169471-Message-history
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 1:12 PM Luca Burgazzoli <
> > > lburgazz...@gmail.com>
> > > >>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hello,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Over the past months I've been trying to be more active on gitter
> on
> > > the
> > > >>>> various camel projects and  overall the user experience was quite
> > > >>> terrible
> > > >>>> for me (in particular when using the mobile client), as example:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> - threads are not shown properly on the iOS client thus messages
> are
> > > >>>> messing up
> > > >>>> - messages are extremely slow to load and sometime the message you
> > > sent
> > > >>>> take quite long to be visible even on your end so you don't
> actually
> > > know
> > > >>>> what it is happening
> > > >>>> - messages keep being marked as unread even if you did read them
> > > >>>> - sometimes you need to close/reopen the thread sidebar to see new
> > > >>> messages
> > > >>>> for a given thread
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I don't know if it is only me but because of my frustration with
> the
> > > tool
> > > >>>> I'd like to know if anyone is interested in evaluating some
> > > alternatives
> > > >>>> (please note that we DON'T necessarily need to switch to something
> > > >>>> different).
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I'd personally would like to suggest to try out Zulip (
> > > >>>> https://zulipchat.com/) as it allow us to have an independent
> > > >>> organization (
> > > >>>> camel.zulipchat.com) and to login with github/gitter/google so
> you
> > > can
> > > >>>> easily join without having to fill gazillion of details but I know
> > > it's
> > > >>>> streams and topic way of organizing conversations may not be
> optimal
> > > for
> > > >>>> everyone.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> If anyone has suggestions, let discuss here.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> ---
> > > >>>> Luca Burgazzoli
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --
> > > >>> Zoran Regvart
> > > >>>
> > >
>
>
>
> --
> Claus Ibsen
> -----------------
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