> On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org > <mailto:woh...@apache.org>> wrote: > >> Hey y'all, >> >> On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: >>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < >> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >>>>> ...I’d like to see the Apache Way described like Euclidean Geometry.... >>>> >>>> I have no clue what this would look like but I'd love to see a blog >>>> post of yours describing that vision. >>>> >>> +1 >> >> This was where I was aiming with my original post on board@ (which many >> of you may not be able to see). >> >> I mentioned I often refer to Shane's summary because it's simple, >> concise, and includes the why as well as the what. But I'm aware that >> it's just one viewpoint - the website makes that perfectly clear, too. >> >> It's been said to me that a lot of The Apache Way can't be written down, >> and I would like to challenge that assertion. I'd also like the people >> who claim to know the Way best to work as hard as possible on that, too. >> > > We need all those voices of how people interpret The Apache Way. And as >> Dave hints, we can triangulate its essence with more and more >> descriptions. I think it'd be premature to try for that triangulation >> without interested parties working on capturing it for themselves first, >> revised for a 2019 perspective. >> > > Exactly. Sometimes when it is said it cannot be written down, it can mean > that it cannot be written down simply and declaratively. Or that it cannot > be expressed by being written just once or one way or by one or a few > people. The concepts in a novel, an ethnography, or a biography, or even > short parables, for example, cannot be simply extracted and written as > declarations. The practices of a culture cannot be described fully either, > nor transmitted by reading. It may be that the large corpus of writing and > slideshows and talking about The Apache Way is a great way to, in fact, > write it down. And IMO in such a situation it is important to keep writing > about it, and have new people keep writing their take, and to share stories > about it. Etc. And of course, it should be expected to constantly change. > > Kenn >
That is why Sally and I have pushed for Apache Way training similar to what Sally does with her media training... open discussion, time for Q&A, that sort of thing. Sure, writing it down and having it documented is useful, but that isn't a complete solution, nor does it solve the problem completely.
