Sometimes the short replies are the most beautiful Thank you Jim!
: o), Myrle On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:34 PM Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > a super-quick reply: > > IMO, all aspects of the Apache Way can be found at the start. Basically, > there were a number of people heavily dependent on a hunk of software, the > single person who was writing it left, and it left us (and everyone else > who was using it) in a lurch. > > We never want that to ever happen to anyone again. We want to build > healthy, viable, long-term communities around software projects; we want to > optimize for the volunteer contributor, because if they are passionate > about the project/community, they will stay with it, and work on it in > their spare time. We want it easy as possible to bring in new blood, make > it worth their while to do so, and enable them to have just as much > influence and say as people who have spent longer times on the project, as > true peers. We don't want to disenfranchise anyone because who knows where > potential contributors could come from. And because we were all using the > software for various personal self-interest reasons, we wanted a pragmatic > license and collaboration process. > > It is from this mindset, that all tenets of The Apache Way derive... > > > On Jul 17, 2019, at 3:03 PM, Dave Fisher <w...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:12 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 12:41 PM, Kenneth Knowles <k...@apache.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 9:20 AM Joan Touzet <woh...@apache.org > <mailto:woh...@apache.org>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hey y'all, > >>>> > >>>> On 2019-07-17 7:53, Jim Jagielski wrote: > >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2019, at 2:56 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > >>>> bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 1:11 AM Dave Fisher <wave4d...@comcast.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> ...I’d like to see the Apache Way described like Euclidean > Geometry.... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have no clue what this would look like but I'd love to see a blog > >>>>>> post of yours describing that vision. > >>>>>> > >>>>> +1 > >>>> > >>>> This was where I was aiming with my original post on board@ (which > many > >>>> of you may not be able to see). > >>>> > >>>> I mentioned I often refer to Shane's summary because it's simple, > >>>> concise, and includes the why as well as the what. But I'm aware that > >>>> it's just one viewpoint - the website makes that perfectly clear, too. > >>>> > >>>> It's been said to me that a lot of The Apache Way can't be written > down, > >>>> and I would like to challenge that assertion. I'd also like the people > >>>> who claim to know the Way best to work as hard as possible on that, > too. > >>>> > >>> > >>> We need all those voices of how people interpret The Apache Way. And as > >>>> Dave hints, we can triangulate its essence with more and more > >>>> descriptions. I think it'd be premature to try for that triangulation > >>>> without interested parties working on capturing it for themselves > first, > >>>> revised for a 2019 perspective. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Exactly. Sometimes when it is said it cannot be written down, it can > mean > >>> that it cannot be written down simply and declaratively. Or that it > cannot > >>> be expressed by being written just once or one way or by one or a few > >>> people. The concepts in a novel, an ethnography, or a biography, or > even > >>> short parables, for example, cannot be simply extracted and written as > >>> declarations. The practices of a culture cannot be described fully > either, > >>> nor transmitted by reading. It may be that the large corpus of writing > and > >>> slideshows and talking about The Apache Way is a great way to, in fact, > >>> write it down. And IMO in such a situation it is important to keep > writing > >>> about it, and have new people keep writing their take, and to share > stories > >>> about it. Etc. And of course, it should be expected to constantly > change. > >>> > >>> Kenn > >>> > >> > >> That is why Sally and I have pushed for Apache Way training similar to > what Sally does with her media training... open discussion, time for Q&A, > that sort of thing. Sure, writing it down and having it documented is > useful, but that isn't a complete solution, nor does it solve the problem > completely. > > > > A page at way.apache.org would be good. Here’s is what I had in mind > when I mentioned Euclidean Geometry. All of it follows from five postulates > which are statements. > > > > Jim - since you are a Founder I am asking you: > > > > What are the postulates to the Apache Way as simple statements with the > elegance of Euclid? > > > > Regards, > > Dave > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
