Shoudln't we do 2 polls?
1) Should we introduce a global qualifier instead @web? If yes, which name?
2) Alternative for JsfPhaseListener?
- keep it as it is
- just rename it as it redudant
- use the global qualifier + introduce a second annotation for setting
the ordinal
2014-02-23 23:21 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> maybe we can do a public poll?
>
> 1) Keep it like it
> 2) @DeltaSpike
> 3) ordinal()
> 4) other?
> Romain Manni-Bucau
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>
> 2014-02-23 23:18 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >:
> > If it was agreed, we should leave @JsfPhaseListener as it is...
> >
> > Sorry if i'm a bit annoying but...
> > I still like the idea of a global qualifier instead @Web.
> > As Romain said, it would see it as an namespace ->
> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context
> > looks good.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2014-02-23 23:01 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
> >:
> >
> >> at other parts you specify an artifact with an interface, annotation,...
> >> and at the same point (if possible) you are able to specify the ordinal
> >> (without an extra annotation).
> >> that's easier for users and therefore we agreed on it in the beginning.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> gerhard
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> >> 2014-02-23 22:48 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >>
> >> > which consistency gerhard?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2014-02-23 22:45 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <
> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
> >> >:
> >> >
> >> > > independent of the name, we would break the consistency.
> >> > >
> >> > > regards,
> >> > > gerhard
> >> > >
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> >> > > 2014-02-23 22:40 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> >> > >
> >> > > > using javax.* from deltaspike is quite ambiguous: is it a DS
> behavior
> >> > > > or a spec one? I'm no opposed Priority but in
> >> > > > org.apache.deltaspile...Priority
> >> > > > Romain Manni-Bucau
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> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > 2014-02-23 22:34 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> >> > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >:
> >> > > > > Could you explain this? I can't follow you.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2014-02-23 22:23 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com
> >> > >:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> I'd prefer something more explicit. Just changing the package
> >> would
> >> > be
> >> > > > >> enough for me
> >> > > > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > > > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
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> >> > > > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> 2014-02-23 22:17 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> >> > > > andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >:
> >> > > > >> > Hmm...
> >> > > > >> > We could clone it for JEE6 support and handle both
> annotations
> >> for
> >> > > > >> backward
> >> > > > >> > compatibility.
> >> > > > >> > Maybe we could also use it for other features (or later..)
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > 2014-02-23 22:14 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> >> > > rmannibu...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >:
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> That's would be ambiguous with JavaEE 6
> >> > > > >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > > > >> >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> > > > >> >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> 2014-02-23 22:12 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> >> > > > >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >> >:
> >> > > > >> >> > What about reusing javax.annotation.Priority?
> >> > > > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> > 2014-02-23 22:02 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <
> >> > > > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >> >:
> >> > > > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> it's just a stereotype to get a better tool-support...
> >> > > > >> >> >> @Advanced is also a qualifier (at least in codi).
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> however, we need "ordinal" or we add @InvocationOrder as
> it
> >> > was
> >> > > in
> >> > > > >> codi.
> >> > > > >> >> >> once we do that, we break the consistency in that area.
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> regards,
> >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> http://www.irian.at
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> Your JSF/JavaEE powerhouse -
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> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> 2014-02-23 21:41 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> >> > > > >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >> >> >:
> >> > > > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > Another problem is that @web is a qualifier and
> >> > > > @JsfPhaseListener
> >> > > > >> is a
> >> > > > >> >> >> > stereotype and not a qualifier.
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > So if we would change it, we must use different
> >> annotations.
> >> > > > Right?
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > IMO
> >> > > > >> >> >> > @Inject @DeltaSpike ServletContext context;
> >> > > > >> >> >> > would be great as it's just like a namespace.
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > For the @JsfPhaseListener, something like @Advanced
> would
> >> be
> >> > > > >> better.
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > 2014-02-18 11:16 GMT+01:00 Thomas Andraschko <
> >> > > > >> >> >> andraschko.tho...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >:
> >> > > > >> >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > > IMO it's actually more expressive than any other
> names.
> >> > > Maybe
> >> > > > >> >> >> > > @DeltaSpikeManaged would be more impressive...
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 @DeltaSpike then, before keeping the old
> >> > redudant/"ugly"
> >> > > > >> >> qualifiers.
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > > 2014-02-18 10:51 GMT+01:00 Romain Manni-Bucau <
> >> > > > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com>:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > > +1 kind of tradeoff
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> 2014-02-18 10:46 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <
> >> > > > >> >> >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > we haven't seen a nice name so far -> i would keep
> >> what
> >> > > we
> >> > > > >> have
> >> > > > >> >> >> right
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> now
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > (it's redundant, but at least a bit more
> expressive).
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > regards,
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > gerhard
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> > 2014-02-18 10:20 GMT+01:00 Mark Struberg <
> >> > > > strub...@yahoo.de>:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> I do agree on @Managed not being very expressive.
> >> > Think
> >> > > > about
> >> > > > >> >> the
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @ManagedBean disaster in JavaEE itself.
> 'Managed' is
> >> > in
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> same
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> ballpark
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> like 'Class' or 'Object'.
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> Managed by whom and what?
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> In that case I'd rather go with @DeltaSpike or
> keep
> >> > > > @Web...
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> But I do not care that much about names...
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> LieGrue,
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> strub
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> On Tuesday, 18 February 2014, 10:15, Romain
> >> > Manni-Bucau
> >> > > <
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> rmannibu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> @Gerhard: yeah but managed is not expressive,
> doesnt
> >> > > give
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > >> >> >> origin
> >> > > > >> >> >> > +
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >is quite standard for jmxso i would avoid it.
> That
> >> > said
> >> > > > it
> >> > > > >> >> doesnt
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >bring any feature so i dont want to fight for a
> >> name.
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Romain Manni-Bucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Twitter: @rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Blog: http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com/
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >LinkedIn: http://fr.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >Github: https://github.com/rmannibucau
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >2014-02-18 10:12 GMT+01:00 Gerhard Petracek <
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> gerhard.petra...@gmail.com>:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> @romain:
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> you will always have same/similar terms in
> >> > different
> >> > > > areas
> >> > > > >> >> (see
> >> > > > >> >> >> > e.g.
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "message").
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> regards,
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> gerhard
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>
> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >>
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