On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 11:28 AM Ross Gardler <[email protected]> wrote: > > I'm afraid that this isn't how the foundation works. One cannot unilaterally > decide that a policy doesn't apply because it doesn't directly have a > measurable impact on neutrality. > > I agree with the statistical argument. I agree we need to find a way of doing > this. But I do not agree we can simply state that the policy does not apply. > It does. > > The committee could make an argument for an exception to be added to theft > policy. I'd advise against that, as if will likely raise concerns about a > slippery slope. > > It has been suggested that interns be limited to internal projects, but this > is countered by the fact that these are not true ASF public projects and thus > the educational value is limited. > > It has been suggested that we ask spomsors to donate directly to Outreachy. > I've not seen anyone argue against this proposal (apologies if I missed > something). > > Maybe there are other approaches. > > This is one of the fundamental differences between the ASF and every other > foundation or there. It is at the core of why we are successful. I cannot see > the board accepting a proposal that does not directly address this concern. > > Personally I believe the simpledt approach is to have sponsors give their > money to Outreachy while ASF offers self-nominating volunteer mentors. > > However, I see a potential missed opportunity in this. Both the ASF and > Outreachy are 501c(3)'s. I believe we can help one another significantly. > Let's be inventive. How can we leverage one another to bring more success? > > At present the conversation is about simply using Outreachy to help the ASF > take on some interns. Can't we be more aggressive than this? What can ASF > plus Outreachy do together to raise awareness of the program? What can we do > together to share the knowledge gained? What can we do to help those not > lucky enough to recurve an internship?
My sense is that many of these discussions come down to focusing on distinctions without a difference. As an example, an enlightened sponsor (or group of sponsors) could redirect money that would have gone to sponsoring the ASF to sponsoring Outreachy and directing that those funds be used on ASF projects. If there are more mentors than sponsors are willing to pay, that sponsor could take input from either the ASF or Outreachy on priorities, or potentially even simply seek and ratify recommendations from the D&I committee. - Sam Ruby
