On 6/27/2019 11:26 AM, Sage Sharp wrote: >> That sounds dangerously close to a threat. But assuming good will, do >> we care about external optics or how some journalist might spin >> something for clicks? If so, I recommend you get with M&P and get a PR >> drafted sooner than later so at a minimum it is in the can for a quick >> response. >> > I'll note that this is a public mailing list. I'll also note that many > other tech companies have tried to do a "PR spin" when their diversity > efforts have issues. People from marginalized groups see right through the > words, and look for what specific actions the company has taken. > > There's also the Striesand effect, so calling attention to this discussion > through a press release may backfire: > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect > > I think everyone should be much more concerned about how this discussion > will be read by people from marginalized groups in tech who are either a) > thinking of contributing to an ASF member project, or b) are a current > contributor thinking of trying to improve diversity in ASF member projects.
I'm not disagreeing with you or Sam. However, the ASF has a core tenet that we don't pay for code and funding outreachy directly will likely cross a threshold that we are doing so. If there is a risk about the optics around this, I am cc;ing M&P and suggesting they be involved to draft a PR should it ever be needed to explain our side of things. That's why we have M&P to help on just these type of issues. Regards, KAM -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssassin Project https://www.linkedin.com/in/kmcgrail - 703.798.0171
