On 27 Jun 2019, at 17:32, Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote:

.. snip threath / etc …

> I'm not disagreeing with you or Sam.  However, the ASF has a core tenet that 
> we don't pay for code and funding outreachy directly will likely cross a 
> threshold that we are doing so. 

And indirectly crosses that threshold too. 

The ASF has as a core tenet that it does not pay for code (it does not tell its 
coders what to code, etc). As a result it is relatively neutral, etc; avoids 
directing-earmarked funds.  One follows from the other. Not the other way round.

This is true for the ASF - but not for the members in our community. 
Intentionally so.

I.e. at the same time - we do let the market `direct’ our volunteers. They 
choose what to work on — but this may well be part of what their bosses pay 
them for. We accept code from the market. 

And that is good - it gives us a very strong feedback loop to focus on what 
people, our people, care for. And we’re not getting in their way (unless it is 
to protect them & the community). 

Community over code. And yes - that community indirectly includes a lot of 
commercial parties.

So I am wondering - if Outreachy would like to do this — then great — And why 
not grab this with both hands and let Outreachy  simply fund these mentors 
themselves ? Just like we do for other contributions.

Much like our communities accept that employers `pay’ our volunteers to work on 
ASF code. Or accept that google pays students during the summer ?

So our relation with Outreachy would be just like with every other volunteer in 
the ASF ecosystem — contribute.

Dw.



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