We have sponsors willing to provide the money directly to Outreachy, so I don't believe the problem Sage describes exists. I truly believe people are focusing on the wrong thing. The "not paying for code" issue is resolved - for this specific issue - sponsors give the money to Outreachy. ASF provides mentors. I have seen NO discussion on the topic of who the mentors are and minimal discussion on how we evaluate proposals.
Ross ________________________________ From: Sage Sharp <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 9:42 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Kevin A. McGrail; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Outreachy framework proposal On Thu, Jun 27, 2019 at 9:19 AM Dirk-Willem van Gulik <[email protected]> wrote: > On 27 Jun 2019, at 17:32, Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote: > > .. snip threath / etc … > > > I'm not disagreeing with you or Sam. However, the ASF has a core tenet > that we don't pay for code and funding outreachy directly will likely cross > a threshold that we are doing so. > > And indirectly crosses that threshold too. > > The ASF has as a core tenet that it does not pay for code (it does not > tell its coders what to code, etc). As a result it is relatively neutral, > etc; avoids directing-earmarked funds. One follows from the other. Not the > other way round. > > This is true for the ASF - but not for the members in our community. > Intentionally so. > > I.e. at the same time - we do let the market `direct’ our volunteers. They > choose what to work on — but this may well be part of what their bosses pay > them for. We accept code from the market. > > And that is good - it gives us a very strong feedback loop to focus on > what people, our people, care for. And we’re not getting in their way > (unless it is to protect them & the community). > > Community over code. And yes - that community indirectly includes a lot of > commercial parties. > > So I am wondering - if Outreachy would like to do this — then great — And > why not grab this with both hands and let Outreachy simply fund these > mentors themselves ? Just like we do for other contributions. > > Much like our communities accept that employers `pay’ our volunteers to > work on ASF code. Or accept that google pays students during the summer ? > > So our relation with Outreachy would be just like with every other > volunteer in the ASF ecosystem — contribute. > > Dw. > Outreachy requires that each community participating have sponsorship for at least one intern. The ASF communities participating in Outreachy without sponsorship from a company or the ASF is a no-go. Sage Sharp Outreachy Organizer
