Personally, I think that this is way out of D&I's bally-wick. Why is this a D&I 
issue? What is this obsession on this policy which affects D&I not-a-whit yet 
directly impacts every project PMC and this foundation to the core? What do 
some members of the cmmt feel the need to focus on this singular issue in 
exclusion to everything else? 

I am sorry you don't like this policy... but some policies exist, and should 
exist, whether you like them or not. I really wish that some people on this 
cmmt would focus on the mission and charter of this effort. This cmmt should 
work on directly helping those that this cmmt is empowered to help, instead of 
using this cmmt to try to change a policy that bothers them personally (I also 
wonder *WHY* it bothers them personally).

Why some people have chosen this to be a hill to stake this cmmt's energies and 
reputation on is beyond me. In a cmmt which is all about Inclusion, this clear 
desire to create venomous division within the membership, and even this cmmt, 
is mind boggling. What is the fascination w/ this scorched Earth process? Is 
this really how this cmmt intends to handle the delicate business of changing 
hearts and minds? If so, I suggest that they rethink it.

PS: Also recall that it is up to the BOARD on whether or not to bring such a 
change up for consideration by the members. Of course, you are perfectly w/i 
your rights as a member to petition that. 

On 2019/07/03 12:26:36, Naomi S <[email protected]> wrote: 
> splitting this off to keep Myrle's thread on topic
> 
> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 13:49, Sam Ruby <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > We have the technology (via STeVe) to have a non-binding poll the
> > membership.  We will have an election coming up in March-ish 2020.
> > The decision to fund interns from ASF funds is a binary one.
> >
> > My sense is that the board has been asked to make a difficult
> > decision, and is not ready yet to do so.  We however have a path
> > forward that will give us more data, and we can put in place a plan to
> > poll the membership for guidance on the matter.  We can ask those that
> > wish to do so to prepare a position paper (one each, pro and con) that
> > can guide the membership in casting their votes.
> >
> 
> this sounds like a good idea to me
> 
> I wouldn't' necessarily set March as the deadline. as a committee, we might
> not feel ready to make that move at that point. depends what our experience
> is like with Outreachy and what sorts of results we can show
> 
> but in general, this seems like a reasonable way forward, should the
> committee decide that we want to pursue this avenue once again with a bit
> more experience under our belt
> 

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