+1 IDEA. On Fri, Mar 21, 2025 at 10:20 AM Paulo Motta <pa...@apache.org> wrote:
> +1 to IDEA, nice one > > On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 21:12 Chris Lambertus <c...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:09 AM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > On 3/19/25 23:01, Chris Lambertus wrote: > > >>> On Mar 19, 2025, at 1:22 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbed...@apache.org> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On 3/19/25 11:28, Ruth Suehle wrote: > > >>>> Those of you who have read my board report for today's meeting will > > have > > >>>> seen that after a lengthy time of low activity, I'm pleased to > appoint > > >>>> Daniel Gruno to the role of VP, Diversity and Inclusion. He has been > > >>>> working with Christian Grobmeier (and more recently, Melissa Logan > has > > >>>> joined) on plans to revive the work. I look forward to seeing their > > work > > >>>> and encourage anyone who is interested to pitch in! > > >>>> > > >>>> Ruth > > >>>> > > >>> Thank you for that introduction (and trust), Ruth, I appreciate it. > > >>> > > >>> It's very early days still, but I have written up a short plan or > > primer for how I want to see the EDI committee working, as well as what > I'd > > love for us to try out. You can find it here: > > >>> > > >>> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/EDI/2025+EDI+jumpstart+plan > > >> A couple initial suggestions: > > >> - align the various acronyms (D&I, EDI, DEI) and be consistent. EDI > > seems to be emerging as the preferred standard, but in the IT World of > > Acronyms, Initialisms, and Abbreviations, the disparity between the three > > can be quite confusing > > > > > > I hear you, and it's made more difficult by the tension that has been > > growing around certain variations (whether you ascribe it to > mismanagement > > of initiatives or not). It gets confusing and laden with presuppositions, > > both good and bad ones. > > > > > > I was thinking of either sticking consistently with EDI as we have > done, > > or pivot and call it IDEA (Inclusion, Diversity, Equity, and Access) and > > reframe it in a fully local foundation perspective. What do these things > > mean to us at the ASF and what do we want to accomplish, irrespective of > > the larger trends at hand. > > > > I really like this .. idea. It scopes the project locally to the > > Foundation so it's not so directly tied to broader geopolitical > > associations, and moves away from an initialism that has become > politically > > loaded. > > > > -Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> - add a section that describes the history, purpose, and goals of > > EDI/DEI/D&I at the ASF. "necessity and benefits" are mentioned as > > components, but it would be good to have an overarching goal or mission > > statement, and metrics/goals for defining "success" or even just > "movement > > towards a goal" > > > > > > Agreed, but in my thinking this needs to come from the communities at > > the ASF and not just me writing a document, so I'd like to work on a > > questionnaire to send out to projects, and get a sense of what matters to > > them. > > > > > >> -Chris (fluxo) > > >>> > > >>> On April 1st, I intend to do some spring cleaning of the committee > > structure, essentially doing a clean slate. I truly appreciate the work > > that a ton of people have done in (and outside) this committee already, > and > > will welcome anyone who wants to stay on the committee. > > >>> > > >>> I'd also like to invite any other members or committers of the > > foundation to volunteer for the committee, either by replying on this > list > > (which is a public mailing list, FYI) or by sending me a private reply > with > > your ASF username. > > >>> > > >>> This isn't paid work and you may get yelled at, but if you still want > > to give it a go, maybe we can keep nudging the foundation in a more > > equitable, accessible direction[1], and in turn benefit our users. > > >>> > > >>> Have a look at the jump-start plan and let me know what your thoughts > > are. > > >>> > > >>> With regards, > > >>> Daniel. > > >>> > > >>> [1] Don't take this as a jab at our current status. We are awesome, > > >>> and we can improve because we want to be...even more awesome. > > > > >
