On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:20, Alex Thurgood wrote: > Le mardi 08 mars 2005 � 22:19 +0100, Christian Lohmaier a �crit : > > Hi Christian, > > > Why didn't you create one? > > Remember: OOo is an OpenSource project. Everybody is invited to > > /contribute/. > > The questions I raised weren't personal, but come from many bog standard > Linux users messages I have seen elsewhere. > > I put myself squarely in the position of that user, i.e. not having an > ounce of development brain, let alone an understanding of how rpms work. > Contribution in the form you mention simply isn't viable for the vast > majority of users. > > > > - why can't I choose graphically where to install OpenOffice.org like > > > I used to be able to do ? > > > > Because now you can install OOo like every other package. If you want a > > graphical interface, use a GUI for RPM.
None of which are adequate for relocating packages, nor can most be used for executing "rpm -i --nodeps <package>". the old KDE kpackage utility was good there, but it seems to have been dropped in favour of gurpmi and Mandrake's rpmdrake, both of which are merely front ends to urpmi. (Kpackage was a front end to rpm.) Neither of these graphical front ends allows one to set any of the options such as --nodeps or a different install location. > > I'm sorry, but I disagree. Your anwser is like saying : here hapless > child, I gave you a cake with a cherry and cream on it in Version 1.x.x, > and now for Version 2, which I've trumpeted as a super-duper improved > cherry cake, there isn't going to be any cream or even any cherry.. > Which cake would I rather have ? > > > > - how can I choose which filters to install when I use the RPMs ? > > > > Simply don't install/install the xsltfilters package. And what if one needs only *one* of those filters? this answer is not good, since the method requires an "all or nothing" approach. > > > > > - where's the customized setup installation gone ? Still there in Windows, but not in Linux. The older tarball installer was superior in that respect. And the reason there is no longer any "Custom" option is plain... it is purely *because of* the RPM based packaging. Make RPM packages available by all means, but there needs to be a tarball (better yet, a self-extracting one) so that those who wish to may do a custom installation... Perhaps an option there would be to make the current tarball a self extracting job, which initially runs a GUI (or on the CLI) which is essentially a front-end to urpmi, in which the user may check some boxes for the parts they wish to install, the script then selecting the correct RPMs and then installing them... If i knew how to do that, I'd create a sample... > > > > The customized setup has been obsoleted by different packages. Only > > install those components you like to have installed. This is pretty much > > the same as with the old setup. No it isn't... I have no idea, based on either the names or descriptions, which packages do what. Some sort of pre-selection script is needed... Example: If I decide I don't want to install Base, but do want Calc and Writer, which packages do I install? Obviously there are the Writer and Calc RPMs, but what about the *core* RPMs? Which of them do I install? and in what order? (And don't just say "urpmi will do that for you" because it doesn't always work correctly). > > Ah, and therein lies the crunch. "Pretty much the same" isn't "the same" > when you live in userland. And userland is where we need to function. I am perfectly capable of using a CLI (and often do), but if I'm to advise of assist the general user, I need to know such things as the graphical toolbox, and everything needs to be doable *from within those graphical tools*. as soon as it becomes necessary to use a command-lint tool, you have lost an extremely large number of users. A self-extracting installer is the best way (Click on the file OOo_install.bin, and answer the questions... ). > If you try and install some of the modules > without all of the core, you get a nice little error message telling you > that this isn't possible, but, and this is a big BUT, the RPM script > won't go and install that particular RPM for you (at least not in the > beta). > > I'd still rather have my cherry and cream topped cake ;-) > > > Alex > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Alex Fisher Co-Lead, CD-ROM Project OpenOffice.org Marketing Community Contact Australia/New Zealand http://distribution.openoffice.org/cdrom/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
