Hi *

Please remove the stuff you're not refering to.

On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:22:32PM +1000, Alex Fisher wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 22:54, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 11:52:42AM +1000, Alex Fisher wrote:
> > > On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:49, Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> [...]
> > > Which is precisely what the current RPMs do... I have normally installed
> > > my programs into </usr/local/>,
> >
> > These are not binary packages, right?
> 
> Wrong. I rarely compile from source (the kernel is the primary exception). of 
> all the software I have installed, only two have been compiled from source, 
> and only four have been installed in /opt. *Everything* else has ended in 
> either /usr/local or (in several instances, mainly anti-virus 
> software) /usr/lib.... 

And how were these packages installed?

> > [...]
> > No. You say: "We need the graphical setup for the "helpless child"" and
> > then you argument with something only an advanced user will do.
> 
> :) wrong again. Even when I was just starting to find my way around Windows 
> 3.1, I preferred to use a Custom setup. And at that point, I had had a 
> computer for about 3 months. At that time, I *was* the archetypal "helpless 
> child".

That tune-syndrome, I see ;->

> > [...]
> > You have to choose between one (or none) of the desktop-integration
> > packages. These will register the OOo mime-types and set-up entries in
> > the application-menu to launch OOo. Install the one that matches your
> > distribution.
> 
> Not possible. Mandrake is not catered for, and neither the RH nor SuSE ones 
> work.

Then check out a more recent build. The mandrake-package is now
included, as is my freedesktop-package.

It was /contributed/ - you see, this actually works :-)

And BTW: The integration would not have worked with the old setup
either. Contrary: adding support for the various distributions would be
fare more complicated (or even impossible) with the old setup.
Again: keep the argumentation fair.

> Gnome integration is useless, as Mandrake uses KDE by default.

Why is that useless? If you don't need it, don't install it.

> [...] 
> The real answer is that there is a need for *both* forms of installation, and 
> always will be. We *need* RPM, DEB *and* tarball methods....

What is tarball method? Surely not a setup-program.
Use rpm2cpio and cpio and you'll get your "tarball". 

The setup is dead-long live the native installers.

ciao
Christian
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NP: Metallica - Metal Militia

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