On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 19.59, Kevin A. McGrail <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 10:27 Muellners ApS <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Kevin! >> It's sad that you use words like "lurking" and "free", >> > > Lurking on mailing lists is a term of art. It means to read more and post > less. > Definition from Oxford Languages; lurking /ˈləːkɪŋ/ Learn to pronounce <https://www.google.dk/search?client=safari&hl=en-dk&q=how+to+pronounce+lurking&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOMIfcRoyS3w8sc9YSmDSWtOXmPU4uINKMrPK81LzkwsyczPExLmYglJLcoV4pbi5GLPKS3KzsxLt2JRYkrN41nEKpGRX65Qkq9QANSSD9STqgBVAQDXsLVpWQAAAA&pron_lang=en&pron_country=gb&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwji_66EvsrzAhUMjosKHYcWB4oQ3eEDegQIBBAZ> *adjective* adjective: *lurking* 1. remaining hidden so as to wait in ambush. "the trumpet fish is a lurking predator" - (of an unpleasant quality) present in a latent or barely discernible state, although still presenting a threat. "he lives with a lurking fear of exposure as a fraud" >>>>Why would you use this adjective for a fellow community member? Do you hold such feelings of threat and insecurity? Stop using wrong "adjectives" for your fellow beings. Perceiving threats is the first cause of less openness. How will you listen to newer ideas if you limit this human communication with wrong adjectives & then establish them as norms? See if you can be thoughtful. > > Freemail is a term of art as well for services like Yahoo, Gmail, etc that > provide mail services at no charge. > >>>>What to say to you on this! focus please. I am not interested in wasting this community's time about freemail or such statements. It is clear to me that we should of course create a healthy balance b/w “for profits” and “non for profits” to avoid such distortion of human values which was visible during this Apache Con & in Board Reports. Community events such as what happened in Afghanistan are missing, young talents got pushed to late night slots without wondering how power and internet works in Cameroon, GSoC interns are out of slot, contributors from different companies working hard on Fineract solutions from several parts of world are missing, not a single major FI that consumes the project IP has a keynote, false representation of a complete version of project CN have been running in Board reports and elsewhere until the Con. What is required are more visible inclusion & diversity principles, definitely not an outcome with a single "for profit" company & self approvals in return for a meagre pocket change calling it "sponsorship". That's not the way a non-profit should behave. That's not the open source philosophy. I am seriously appalled by this sad demonstration of "diversity". The current processes & norms have failed to respond to the needs for diversity and inclusion in real time. You are applying centralisation to a decentralised community of developers. Right now the governance and norms are selective to exploit IP generated by distributed developers without ever incentivizing them. A contrary example is imagine ASF whose public assets are distributed amongst its contributors, incentivizing each contribution to the project with money. In 2021, humans have a technology that can do that. *"No, We do not make blanket rules for one off problems."* Let's use a better word not one off "problem". This is a systematic event. Problems are climate change, hunger, food crisis, underbanked. By calling norms discussion as a problem, you are demonstrating a lack of willingness to change. This is a financial technology project that affects the lives of end clients and its product lifecycle management should not be exclusion oriented. (remember the vision is financial inclusion). Figuring out begins with realising that we were on the wrong track. >>Your and your colleagues and actions are clearly not those of an individual but an organization with differing goals and objectives from this foundation which you continue to post about on our forums. *The context is not non congruence b/w two Foundations, and in my opinion, you are not qualified to state this about an outside legal entity. Meritocracy perhaps gives you meaning to propose and move ideas on this list, it does not allow you to malign other philanthropic activities happening elsewhere. And if the objective is to shield bad practices & behaviour of "for profits" within the ASF ecosystem, it helps to stop such reasoning.* *Public information from another Non for profit is being shared here by individual contributors affiliated to Muellners Foundation. Of course the Foundation which is the source of credible information is going to get cited. **That's basic internet literacy to cite things. **"yours" and "ours" is a construct that you have created. It really helps if you establish such statements with data not perception. Try to bridge differences instead of creating more. * If you need my help, I can talk but see Kevin use data, public facing records, meaningful information, & context not wrong adjectives. You are demonstrating lack of understanding, & empathy with *highly* *speculative* statements. That's just surface analytics. It has brought you to a weak conclusion that you have to resort to a poor use of human communication of language. No human has such a right. Read very carefully what is going on. Not a single time, MF colleagues have named or shamed an individual. The process and concepts behind human actions are being discussed. Have a good one! 😤 > Regards, KAM > >> -- Ankit Managing Partner Muellners Inc This mail is governed by Muellners® IT policy. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. 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