everytime a FlexJS release comes out, I try to follow the documentation to get 
setup in IntelliJ idea, compile some example projects, and fail miserably every 
single time.  Search for anything on the error both in here and at large and it 
dosen't work.  On the source side the build chain is pretty crazy and also have 
never managed to get that working.   Additionally I'm losing interest in AS3 as 
it's support for concurrency, generics, lambdas, expression trees, generics, 
conditional clauses on generics, async await, etc are terrible and feels like 
the language itself has no interest in moving forward.  Personally I don't 
agree with the decision to even base FlexJS on AS3.  But yeah, when I can 
download a FlexJS release, read some documentation on setting it up in IntelliJ 
Idea, and it actually works I will start investing more time, but again I'm 
very hesitant at this point due to the limitations of the language itself.  
Dart + React offers a lot of the some functionality, with much better language 
support imho.    But every time I mention any of these points my opinion is 
completely discredited and thrown out.   

~ JT

-----Original Message-----
From: Christofer Dutz [mailto:christofer.d...@c-ware.de] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:09 PM
To: dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: [Discuss] What's keeping the others from participating?

Hi guys,

I just wanted to take the opportunity to ask you what's keeping you from 
participating in any discussions here on the list and on contributing anything 

Apache Flex currently has the 10th largest committer base in the ASF, but 
currently it feels like there is only 4-5 people still active on this project. 
Having this in-diversity in discussions is starting to get more and more 
tiresome as I almost know the responses which are going to come if I post 
something. I think most of the time I could start writing the reply for the 
expected response right away so I don't have to do it later.

Are we doing something wrong?

What's keeping all of you stay silent?

Is is:

- lack of interest?

- lack of time?

- that you think this is too much rocket-science? / It's too complicated to 

- a consumer attitude that you just want to know what others are doing for you?

Apache is all about community, but for me this doesn't feel much like a 
community anymore. Sometimes I think we could rename dev@flex.apache.org to 
a...@flex.apache.org as he is definitely the most active poster. Discussing 
stuff with the project sort of feels more and more like "If I want to change 
something, I'll take it to the list and discuss it with Alex first". It 
shouldn't be that way.

Is is just us 4-5 people and we simply have to live with it, or can we do 
anything to get you guys back on board?

For the last more-than-a-year I have been working exclusively on trying to 
lower the complexity to contribute in order to get more people on board. It 
seems that effort was a waste of time. Please prove me wrong.

@Alex: I would like to kindly ask you to please refrain from responding right 
away and let at least a hand full of others respond first. I would like to see 
if this eventually prevents the "someone else is taking care of it for me" 


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