In my case, I'm not interested in SWF output and will not working with that output in closest time. But I think is great to have that output a side and that we dedicate time some time in the future. I'm debugging with source-maps with Josh NextGen Extension and Chrome/Firefox.
The key point is that right now this is a race, and now that things start to be "contributable", we need to get to a 1.0 point soon or we will lost vs other tech that are already there and positioned (Angular2, React,...) 2016-10-15 2:12 GMT+02:00 Josh Tynjala <joshtynj...@gmail.com>: > Don't these languages transpile their features down to ES5, where they > aren't supported natively either? Why can't we do the same for SWF output? > I think Alex was trying to suggest this, rather than dismissing you, but > maybe it wasn't clear enough. > > Looking ahead, I personally see the Flash runtimes becoming less and less > important for FlexJS. For many developers, I don't see them building SWFs > ever, even for debugging (sorry Alex, but I don't think many will bother to > do that...). Most people will probably be deploying only the JS version to > production, and if we allow them to output modern JS, these features can > even be fully native. > > Try not to feel too held back by Flash, Jason. We can either polyfill for > SWF or even make certain new language features JS-only. > > - Josh > > On Oct 14, 2016 4:50 PM, "Jason Taylor" <ja...@dedoose.com> wrote: > > > "TypeScript and Dart for JS all run on top of JS, so my understanding is > > that any new language constructs they offer can be implemented on top of > > Flash as well, although you might give up runtime type-checking for those > > new language features." > > > > How would you implement async / await and parallel programming features > on > > top of flash when the flash runtime in no way supports those types of > > constructs. Again Alex you continue to dismiss these features, while > those > > of us that program in these features daily will dismiss FlexJS in time if > > the future roadmap dosen't include this. It's way way way more important > > than you seem to believe. > > > > ~ JT > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] > > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:37 PM > > To: dev@flex.apache.org > > Subject: Re: [Discuss] What's keeping the others from participating? > > > > > > > > On 10/13/16, 3:20 PM, "Jason Taylor" <ja...@dedoose.com> wrote: > > > > >Hi Harbs, I honestly don't see how the language can move forward when > > >the goal of FlexJS is to be able to compile to swf. As long as we are > > >stuck with that baggage implementing async / await and other parallel > > >processing operations won't be possible without breaking the swf > > >compatibility and fracturing FlexJS. That's where the crux of my > > >disagreement with the team is. I don't believe compiling to swf is > > >important in the long term, and by binding ourselves to that we are > > >limiting out future drastically. In a few years I don't think an > > >application developer will be willing to switch framework platform > > >without async / await, generics, or lamda's. I am excited about > > >FlexJS, but honestly I hope it's ported over to a better language system > > like > > >typescript or dart. The world needs a great rapid application > > >development framework with a declarative UI language, but the world > > >dosen't need SWF's in the future. > > > > > > > Compiling to SWF isn't a requirement for FlexJS. I still think it is a > > good thing so all our current SWCs can run as SWF. Having runtime > > type-checking is important as applications grow in complexity and are > > developed by remote development teams. > > > > But even if it was a requirement, TypeScript and Dart for JS all run on > > top of JS, so my understanding is that any new language constructs they > > offer can be implemented on top of Flash as well, although you might give > > up runtime type-checking for those new language features. > > > > And there is nothing stopping anyone from building a version of the > > compiler that handles TS or Dart instead of AS. Its all open-source. > > > > Thanks, > > -Alex > > > > > -- Carlos Rovira Director General M: +34 607 22 60 05 http://www.codeoscopic.com http://www.avant2.es Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y proceda a su destrucción. De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le comunicamos que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso, rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación necesaria.
