Thanks Josh, I will give it another shot when FlexJS .8 releases, as far as the 
intellij plugin, it's open source and I have already looked at it extensively, 
but since I can't figure out what exactly is going wrong I can't figure out 
what to fix.
~ JT

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Tynjala [] 
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss] What's keeping the others from participating?

Your opinions are definitely welcome here, Jason! I'm sorry to hear that you 
felt otherwise before. That's not good at all, and hopefully we can fix it.

Indeed, the documentation situation is not ideal. Especially when dealing with 
IDEs like IntelliJ IDEA and Flash Builder where they were targeted at the older 
Flex SDK and don't have specific knowledge of FlexJS. There are often some 
hacks involved, and that's frustrating. There's also little incentive for 
convincing Jetbrains or Adobe to update their IDEs without some real big 
adoption. That's part of why I started working on an ActionScript extension for 
Visual Studio Code (and I'm working on MXML support for the next version of the 
extension too). Something created by the community has a better chance of 
evolving with FlexJS.

I brought up the lack of good getting started docs for the FlexJS components 
recently, with some specific suggestions that I think would help tremendously 
for new developers. Personally, I don't really have any experience with the 
FlexJS components myself because I'm focusing more on integrating the 
ActionScript language with other things in the JavaScript ecosystem. Hopefully 
someone who knows the framework better can do it right with a easily 
discoverable list of available components and snack-sized code snippets for 
each of them. Those sorts of examples are vital for getting started, and 
they're sorely missing. Of course, documentation for the components only 
becomes useful once you get past the project setup, but improvements are needed 
on all fronts.

Thankfully, Chris and Alex spent a lot of time getting the SDK to build more 
easily with fewer headaches. So many environment variables and things were 
needed before, and that made it difficult to gain contributors. You should try 
out the Maven build now, for the easiest experience. Even if you're not a Maven 
guy, the Ant build was also refactored and requires much less configuration too.

- Josh

On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Jason Taylor <> wrote:

> everytime a FlexJS release comes out, I try to follow the 
> documentation to get setup in IntelliJ idea, compile some example 
> projects, and fail miserably every single time.  Search for anything 
> on the error both in here and at large and it dosen't work.  On the 
> source side the build chain is pretty crazy and also have never managed to 
> get that working.
>  Additionally I'm losing interest in AS3 as it's support for 
> concurrency, generics, lambdas, expression trees, generics, 
> conditional clauses on generics, async await, etc are terrible and 
> feels like the language itself has no interest in moving forward.  
> Personally I don't agree with the decision to even base FlexJS on AS3.  
> But yeah, when I can download a FlexJS release, read some 
> documentation on setting it up in IntelliJ Idea, and it actually works 
> I will start investing more time, but again I'm very hesitant at this 
> point due to the limitations of the language itself.  Dart
> + React offers a lot of the some functionality, with much better 
> + language
> support imho.    But every time I mention any of these points my opinion is
> completely discredited and thrown out.
> ~ JT
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christofer Dutz []
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 11:09 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Discuss] What's keeping the others from participating?
> Hi guys,
> I just wanted to take the opportunity to ask you what's keeping you 
> from participating in any discussions here on the list and on 
> contributing anything else.
> Apache Flex currently has the 10th largest committer base in the ASF, 
> but currently it feels like there is only 4-5 people still active on 
> this project. Having this in-diversity in discussions is starting to 
> get more and more tiresome as I almost know the responses which are 
> going to come if I post something. I think most of the time I could 
> start writing the reply for the expected response right away so I don't have 
> to do it later.
> Are we doing something wrong?
> What's keeping all of you stay silent?
> Is is:
> - lack of interest?
> - lack of time?
> - that you think this is too much rocket-science? / It's too 
> complicated to contribute
> - a consumer attitude that you just want to know what others are doing 
> for you?
> Apache is all about community, but for me this doesn't feel much like 
> a community anymore. Sometimes I think we could rename 
> to as he is definitely the most 
> active poster.
> Discussing stuff with the project sort of feels more and more like "If 
> I want to change something, I'll take it to the list and discuss it 
> with Alex first". It shouldn't be that way.
> Is is just us 4-5 people and we simply have to live with it, or can we 
> do anything to get you guys back on board?
> For the last more-than-a-year I have been working exclusively on 
> trying to lower the complexity to contribute in order to get more 
> people on board. It seems that effort was a waste of time. Please prove me 
> wrong.
> @Alex: I would like to kindly ask you to please refrain from 
> responding right away and let at least a hand full of others respond 
> first. I would like to see if this eventually prevents the "someone 
> else is taking care of it for me" effect.
> Chris

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