Hiram Chirino wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > All I'm saying is I don't care if IBM puts up > http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins, I also don't care if you put up a > http://virtuas.com/geronimo/plugins site. > > Now the default link issue is something else. Can we point it by > default at some Apache machines by default? I'm sure Aaron would not > mind, would you? > > We do things like this all the time. Our maven builds are TOTALLY > dependent on non asf hardware. If ibiblio or codehaus go down, I > think we would have some serious issues trying to build geronino and > friends. And I may be wrong but I think Aaron's site was similar in > that it was just providing free hosting for artifacts. Or an I wrong?
That is a great question. If Aaron's intention was to make an ibiblio of sorts, this could have been discussed and it may have passed muster. The key missing component was the discussion ;-) I am surely interested in intent...the goals...the barriers to entry, or lack thereof regarding this site. Thanks, Jeff > > Regards, > Hiram > > On 6/14/06, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> Hiram Chirino wrote: >> > I wouldn't care.. And I don't understand why anyone else would either? >> >> I think Matt was trying to make a point. >> >> I respect the fact that it does not bother you, but it bothers others >> here. That, in-and-of itself, should be enough to stop and think about >> what we are doing as a team...and think about how our actions affect >> each other. >> >> Although injecting that site into G may not be "wrong" per-se, it >> clearly falls in a gray area that should have raised enough discomfort >> that discussion probably should have preceded the action. Call me a >> moral guy, but I would have lost sleep if I placed "virtuas.com" in the >> server as the default plugin site without any discussion...but that is >> just me. >> >> To be more poignant, this is supposed to be an open source application >> server. It's probably not fair to any other committer, user, developer, >> Apache member, what have you...if someone's commercial site becomes a >> default link in something that is supposed to represent a charity effort >> without open discussion. I think people perceive that they are being >> exploited...again maybe that's just me. >> >> I don't believe Aaron's contributions outweigh anyone else's on this >> project, and I think anyone/everyone should have an opportunity to be >> the default site. So if we feel as a team that Aaron should reap the >> rewards of being a default plugin, then its a decision we, as a >> community/group/team, need to come to consensus on. >> >> That may not help you understand why it would bother anyone else, but I >> had to offer up why it bothers me. >> >> Thats my penny's worth ;-) >> >> Jeff >> >> >> >> > >> > On 6/9/06, Matt Hogstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Would it make any difference to anyone if IBM proposed that we put >> >> http://www.ibm.com/wasce/plugins >> >> as the default option. I think there would be many eye brows raised >> >> at that one. Let's be >> >> consistent in our interpretations. >> >> >> >> Jeff Genender wrote: >> >> > Bruce Snyder wrote: >> >> >> On 6/9/06, Jeff Genender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> No Bruce, thats not it at all. Its simply discussing what he was >> >> going >> >> >>> to do. This all comes back to the lack of communication issue. >> >> >> So you would have preferred that he send an email to the list >> >> >> explaining the work he was doing on the code? >> >> > >> >> > I think it was clear what was wanted and needed...communication. >> Lets >> >> > go back to your statement that "we can agree to disagree"...we are >> >> > beating a dead horse here... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Bruce >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
