Well, if we consider it ready to release, why bothering with a RC at all ?
If we find bugs, we'll do maintenance releases, and if those are
criticals, we'll do the release very fast ;-)

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 15:33, Achim Nierbeck <[email protected]> wrote:
> I'm not into this weekly also, but as a branch starting point we might
> still consider a RC.
> And since it is step of "certain" impact we could go through the
> "Release" Process too.
> What does a RC mean to us? It is a point where we are considering it
> to be good and stable enough
> for releasing, right? At this point we start with a branch and/or a
> Release Candidate signaling,
> "hey this is really good stuff" go ahead and try it. :)
> A lot of people are "afraid" of using SNAPSHOT versions. RCs are
> usually more accepted as part of
> Integration tests before going to a final Release.
>
> 2011/2/4 Guillaume Nodet <[email protected]>:
>> If it's official, we have to vote on those.
>> If they're not, i agree with Jamie that snashots are imho good enough,
>> especially if we branch ahead of the release for stabilization.  This
>> means that when we branch, new features will go to trunk, so having
>> weekly RC doesn't bring much imho.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 15:22, Achim Nierbeck <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> IMHO Concerning the RC, since it is a "Release Candidate" does it
>>> really need to go through the full Release Vote cycle? I would not
>>> think so, a release itself, yes it does. On the other hand you could
>>> call a Release Candidate just a "named" snapshot, or better a tagged
>>> snapshot at a certain "interval". I don't think we have to go through
>>> the process of "version"-ing it at JIRA and so forth.
>>>
>>> just my .02€ :)
>>>
>>> Achim
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/2/4 Jamie G. <[email protected]>:
>>>> I agree with Guillaume that our setup at ASF isn't really designed to
>>>> do weekly releases. Right now the turn around for doing a full release
>>>> is about 80 hours -- 72 hours for the required vote (assuming all goes
>>>> well) and the better part of a day between setting things up &
>>>> completing a release (environment configuration, building the code and
>>>> pgp signing, nexus management, updating wikis, readmes, JIRA, hudson,
>>>> emailing lists, etc).
>>>>
>>>> Snapshots could be named 2.2.0.rcX-SNAPSHOT, but I don't see how this
>>>> would be much of an improvement over just using 2.2.0-SNAPSHOT and
>>>> asking the community to please test the lastest builds (which I
>>>> believe Hudson is already doing).
>>>>
>>>> This reminds me that I should setup a Hudson profile for karaf-2.2.x,
>>>> I'll get on that shortly :)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Andreas Pieber <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> Well, we can push -SNAPSHOT to the apache repo, y not unoffical -RCs? But 
>>>>> well,
>>>>> it is not a must-have, only an idea :)
>>>>>
>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>> andreas
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 02:54:21PM +0100, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>> Remember that a release has to be voted on.  We can't publish
>>>>>> artifacts that the PMC has not voted.
>>>>>> So I don't think that's really something doable within the Apache
>>>>>> Software Foundation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 14:20, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[email protected]> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Yeah, it makes sense.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I'm agree with Andreas, it's more Release Candidates more that 
>>>>>> > Milestone.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It could be part of the material created with the branch aka 
>>>>>> > Hudson/Jenkins
>>>>>> > build.
>>>>>> > We can have a timeline to release one RC per week or something like 
>>>>>> > this.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > WDYT ?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards
>>>>>> > JB
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 02/04/2011 02:19 PM, Andreas Pieber wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> I think this will be rather RCs than Ms; In addition are always work
>>>>>> >> somehow. If
>>>>>> >> you could push them completely inofficial to the apache-repo I think 
>>>>>> >> this
>>>>>> >> is a
>>>>>> >> good idea getting more ppl to validate it.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> kind regards,
>>>>>> >> andreas
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 01:58:30PM +0100, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> +1 on the release branch with a time window to get stable, we might
>>>>>> >>> consider to release a Milestone at the starting point of such a
>>>>>> >>> branch. WDYT?
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Achim
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> 2011/2/4 Andreas Pieber<[email protected]>:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Big +1 from my side. I think 2-3 weeks should be sufficient.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> With the current release cycles of 2-3 month means pushig 2 month
>>>>>> >>>> features
>>>>>> >>>> and than 2-3 weeks stabilizing.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> >>>> andreas
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 09:01:59AM -0330, Jamie G. wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> +1 for creating the Karaf 2.2.x branch now, and moving trunk 
>>>>>> >>>>> version
>>>>>> >>>>> up to 2.99.99-SNAPSHOT. Perhaps we should state a policy of 
>>>>>> >>>>> branching
>>>>>> >>>>> trunk in the lead up to a dot zero release X weeks before a planned
>>>>>> >>>>> release time? This would make early branching standard practice for
>>>>>> >>>>> Karaf.
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Jamie
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Guillaume Nodet<[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> Well, not sure why my environment works, but it does ...
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:46, Andreas Pieber<[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> What we've discussed several times by now :) While the jdk14.asc
>>>>>> >>>>>>> files are
>>>>>> >>>>>>> included in the install/deploy cycle the regular ones are not 
>>>>>> >>>>>>> -->  I
>>>>>> >>>>>>> cant release
>>>>>> >>>>>>> with those files missing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> >>>>>>> andreas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 09:56:45AM +0100, Guillaume Nodet wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can do that release.  What's the problem with the 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> retrotranslator
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> plugin ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 09:36, Andreas Pieber<[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since pax-url uses the maven-translator-plugin I can't release
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> pax-url, but if
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> someone else jumps in here I can push out pax-web
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> andreas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 09:26:05AM +0100, Achim Nierbeck wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> +1 for the stable 2.2.x branch for releasing.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding the removal of the assembly changes a +1 from me 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> too.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regarding Pax-web and pax-url as being the only SNAPSHOT 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> open, I'm
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> working on it but maven didn't like me last night, I wasn't 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> able
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> sign the jars.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Will try another run tonight. Or if someone wants to step up 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> help me
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> out on this, feel free. The latest version of pax-url and 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> pax-web
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> available on Github
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> can be released. I can manage the release notes later tonight 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, Achim
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2011/2/4 Guillaume Nodet<[email protected]>:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> That could well be another valid option.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> David, can Geronimo live with a 2.99-SNAPSHOT for a while or
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> that be needed soon ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I guess we could also release a bunch of RC somehow if 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> needed for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> geronimo milestones.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 07:24, Andreas 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Pieber<[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> +1 for doing so and the name. I think we are already very 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> late
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> with this. We
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> should have forked about 4 weeks ago...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, I think we should consider removing assemlies and 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> features
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> /assembly /
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> framework from 2.2.x. IMHO this requires more work and fine
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> tuning before
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> release
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 4 Feb 2011 07:06, "Guillaume Nodet"<[email protected]>  
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If there are no objections, I'll branch karaf-2.2.x now in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> get the release stabilized as suggested by Andreas.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> This means any new development will occur in trunk which 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> moved to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.99.99-SNAPSHOT ?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 04:34, Andreas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pieber<[email protected]>  wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, there are many points in my head about this for some 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> now and I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> hope I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get them out straight here. If I'm not able to make any 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> clear don't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hesitate to ask :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> First of all I'm completely with Guillaume. I don't like 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> blows
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> up. We have a standard and an enterprise distribution and 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimal
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> distribution
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in future one for android... STOP. I think this is 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> should go.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition, tbh I also don't like the way client projects
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (such as smx)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweak Karaf around to make it runnable. This makes 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complex and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to use understand/start with.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next I think the root of all evil are our configuration 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> files.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The need
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to tweak system.properties, custom.properties,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jre.properties,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> org...features.cfg to get a running, custom distribution. 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fourth: I don't like that we need to use our own maven 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to build
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO a sign that Karaf is becoming much too big...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Last but not least, I hate that I have to google for all 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> urls
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and collect them locally to not forgetting them :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, so far to the problems. According to the mails I've 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by now I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> think I'm
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the only one aware of those problems :) -->  I would
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> propose some
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> roadmap
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get this straight again:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) branch off karaf-2.x branch now (independent of the 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> missing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> versions)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stay as it is now. Some ppl already depend on
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf-2.1.99-SNAPSHOT and I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that we'll make friends if we make any drastically
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes to this
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> version.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Start developing karaf-2.99.99-SNAPSHOT right now.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) As a first step I think we should add something like an
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> online
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> registry to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf where feature files could be found. E.g. something 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf.apache.org/registry.xml. This would allow us to make
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf behave
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> without having to pack everything together during assembly
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> phase. Here it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> may
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also help to add a features:addregistryurl command 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> clients to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> host
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own registries.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Move enterprise.features.xml into aries project, split
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> standard.features.xml
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the different projects: karaf-obr, karaf-ssh, 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ops4j-web
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e.g. with
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jetty),
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spring2, spring3, ... and create own projects for the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> components. I'm
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Jamie that this will complex the release process, but
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> everything we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> create features files for shouldn't be in the core. As 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> even don't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> like that we have features.xml in the core at all. All 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features.xml
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be added to the registry. This way we could guarantee 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf still
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> behaves the same although we've reduced the core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> packages/repo/distribution.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5) We have to extend the kar/features.xml model 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drastically
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> adding
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> variation
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points for the different configuration possibilities in 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> E.g. we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> need a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> variation point for lib, jre.properties, etc/(to add
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional property
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> files),
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> system (where we drop additional .jre bundles, ...),
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> brandings, ... With
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that some variation
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> points require Karaf to reboot (we couldn't change 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> runtime). Which
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> means we have to cache the changes and apply them on 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In addition
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that there will be some pain in config file merging, but I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think this
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> worth the effort.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6) Now that we've removed all the specific things from 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> we can
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reduce the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> build process completely to one minimal distribution of 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (at maximum
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional for android?!) without using the features 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> concepts
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> directly in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel. This will also allow us to develop the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf-maven-plugin
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> directly in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the kernel without the burden of forking the process 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7) I think by that we're almost finished now. We can start
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features/kar packages for cxf, apache ds, camel, ... and 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> them again
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> registry. For this process the karaf-maven-plugin 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> could/should
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8) Now a user will first of all create its own 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kar/features
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which tweak
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kernel as required. Finally he can either provide the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kar/features bundle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> only.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The assembly process will (and should) always look like
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (reduced):
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf-maven-plugin
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> execution: distribution
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kar-list (branding, docs, ... everything is a kar file,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing more
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> here)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO with all of this we can finally provide only one very
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> distribution.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone only experimenting/developing can do a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> features:install war, cfx, ds
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> admin:reboot
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone else can create distributions as he likes.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I know that not all of those points are new or 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> by me,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> some go a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit a different direction than discussed by now 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them are
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nailed down to the latest detail (by now). Please don't 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> flame
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> me because
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of this;
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that this is not the only way to go but it somehow
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> feels right to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> me :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so... wdyt?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind regards,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> andreas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 12:07:42AM +0100, Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the problem is that Karaf itself isn't a container 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camel or
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CXF and we have some users that just want to plain JRE
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without any
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweaks for running SAAJ because they don't care.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ServiceMix on the other hand is dedicated to host such
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so that's why the default config works better.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm ok with the idea of profiles in karaf, but we need to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't end up with having to include and depend on all 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apache
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as Karaf itself has imho no purpose of becoming a default
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of CXF, Camel, ActiveMQ, Directory, etc...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think each project could easily provide a karaf 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features so
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they would easily be deployed in a bare Karaf, but at 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point, it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does not really scale nor make sense to put everything 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tweaking the system properties is sometimes needed 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on what
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you need to deploy, because OSGi is lacking on certain 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (or
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because the JVM isn't really modular, depending on how 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things).  Some people are happy with using the JAXB
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implementation
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the JVM without being able to change it easily, some
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people may
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to be able to deploy those as OSGi bundles.  Karaf 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do both
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at the same time.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another point, is that the amount of third party 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming increasingly important in Karaf, and that's 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem for simply releasing Karaf in an efficient 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I'm tempted to say that we should push back on those
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have them provide karaf features, rather than having 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> providing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features for those.  I'm mostly thinking here about 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pax-web
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> war support (which is really cool, no doubt on that) and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aries and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support for things we don't embed by default (jpa, 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc..).
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I certainly don't have a good answer yet, but I just 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone is aware of the potential problem.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we keep adding dependencies, our release cycles will
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessarily be
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer and longer ....  For example camel has a release 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cycle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of one
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minor version every few months, ServiceMix even less, 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CXF has
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much less external dependencies and manage to keep a high
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> frequency of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases.  2.2 could have been shipped early december, 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but we
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for aries.  Now aries has been released, but we 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some snapshots dependencies on some felix or ops4j
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components.  And
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we've added stuff that's not completely stabilized.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, I'm just trying to state facts so that 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand the situation.  I'm personnaly not really 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.2 release is planned since 2 months but still can't 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get out
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it clearly means that we're going in a wrong 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ....
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for the rant.  There are a bunch of unrelated 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here, ...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:29, Jean-Baptiste
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Onofré<[email protected]>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claus already raised a Jira about that.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume wasn't very ok to set the jre.properties by
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I launched a discussion thread about
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> profiles. It's
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> typically the kind of tuning which is part of a 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> profiles.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Waiting for the profiles design, we can provide a Karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enterprise
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution including this kind of tuning related to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Camel/CXF/SMX.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I add Karaf dev mailing list to see what the team says 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/02/2011 11:21 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are these adapted jre.properties only usefull for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Servicemix and the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Talend Service Factory or do you think it would make 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to change
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> them in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the karaf distribution.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: Jean-Baptiste Onofré [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 11:02
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: AW: Problem when starting camel-cxf in 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, you can take a look on the ServiceMix one too :)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 02/02/2011 10:26 AM, Christian Schneider wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I was able to solve the problem. I had to 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jre.properties to exclude some packages from the 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> export.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The jre.properties from the Talend Service Factory 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://de.talend.com/products-application-integration/talend-service-factory-community-edition.php
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Von: Christian Schneider 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2011 09:52
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Problem when starting camel-cxf in karaf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am trying to run Apache Camel (feature camel-cxf) in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache Karaf.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am using a fresh Karaf 2.1.3 download.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I start karaf and enter:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features:addurl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.6.0/xml/features
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> features:install camel-cxf
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I get an exception while starting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.servicemix.bundles.saaj-impl:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to resolve 97.0: missing requirement [97.0]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package;
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (package=com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.dom)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any idea what I am doing wrong?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 02.02.2011 09:46:08 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.main.SimpleFileLock
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lock
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INFO: locking
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,765 | INFO  | FelixStartLevel  | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Starting JMX OSGi agent
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,781 | INFO  | FelixStartLevel  | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering MBean with ObjectName
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [osgi.compendium:service=cm,version=1.3] for service 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service.id[10]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,796 | WARN  | rint Extender: 3 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.command is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,796 | WARN  | rint Extender: 2 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle org.apache.karaf.shell.osgi 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,796 | WARN  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | There are no MBean servers 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registred,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> register
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeans
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,890 | WARN  | rint Extender: 2 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.console
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is waiting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://aries.apache.org/blueprint/xmlns/blueprint-ext/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:09,968 | WARN  | rint Extender: 2 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle org.apache.karaf.shell.dev 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:10,218 | WARN  | rint Extender: 3 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle org.apache.karaf.shell.ssh 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:10,234 | WARN  | rint Extender: 3 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.admin.command
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is waiting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:10,250 | WARN  | rint Extender: 3 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.commands
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is waiting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:10,375 | WARN  | rint Extender: 2 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BlueprintContainerImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   | container.BlueprintContainerImpl  252 | 7 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.blueprint -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Bundle 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.packages
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is waiting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> namespace handlers
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> [(&(objectClass=org.apache.aries.blueprint.NamespaceHandler)(osgi.service.blueprint.namespace=
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://karaf.apache.org/xmlns/shell/v1.0.0))]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:11,609 | INFO  | Thread-5         |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FeaturesServiceImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | res.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl  293 | 19 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.core - 2.1.3 | Bundles to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:11,640 | INFO  | rint Extender: 3 | 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SecurityUtils
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | e.sshd.common.util.SecurityUtils   80 | 25 - 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sshd-core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 0.4.0 |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BouncyCastle not registered, using the default JCE
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provider
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:11,968 | INFO  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.osgi.jmx.framework.BundleStateMBean to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeanServer 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.sun.jmx.mbeanserver.JmxMBeanServer@6e3d60
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with name
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi.core:type=bundleState,version=1.5
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:12,000 | INFO  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.osgi.jmx.framework.ServiceStateMBean to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeanServer 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.sun.jmx.mbeanserver.JmxMBeanServer@6e3d60
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with name
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi.core:type=serviceState,version=1.5
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:12,000 | INFO  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.osgi.jmx.framework.FrameworkMBean
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeanServer 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.sun.jmx.mbeanserver.JmxMBeanServer@6e3d60
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with name
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi.core:type=framework,version=1.5
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:12,031 | INFO  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.osgi.jmx.service.cm.ConfigurationAdminMBean to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeanServer
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.sun.jmx.mbeanserver.JmxMBeanServer@6e3d60 with 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi.compendium:service=cm,version=1.3
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:46:12,031 | INFO  | JMX OSGi Agent   | jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | ?                                   ? | 20 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.aries.jmx
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.2.0.incubating | Registering
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.osgi.jmx.framework.PackageStateMBean to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MBeanServer 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> com.sun.jmx.mbeanserver.JmxMBeanServer@6e3d60
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with name
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> osgi.core:type=packageState,version=1.5
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:08,234 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FeaturesServiceImpl
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | res.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl  293 | 19 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.core - 2.1.3 | Bundles to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refresh:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:08,656 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ContextLoaderListener
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | .activator.ContextLoaderListener  356 | 44 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.osgi.extender - 1.2.0 | Starting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [org.springframework.osgi.extender] bundle v.[1.2.0]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:08,781 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ExtenderConfiguration
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | al.support.ExtenderConfiguration  150 | 44 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.osgi.extender - 1.2.0 | No custom
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extender
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> configuration
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detected; using defaults...
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:08,781 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TimerTaskExecutor
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | heduling.timer.TimerTaskExecutor  106 | 38 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.context
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 3.0.5.RELEASE | Initializing Timer
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:09,281 | INFO  | l Console Thread | Activator
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | apache.camel.impl.osgi.Activator   83 | 51 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 2.6.0 | Camel activator starting
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:09,312 | INFO  | l Console Thread | Activator
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | apache.camel.impl.osgi.Activator   86 | 51 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 2.6.0 | Camel activator started
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:10,968 | INFO  | l Console Thread | Activator
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | apache.camel.impl.osgi.Activator   90 | 51 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 2.6.0 | Camel activator stopping
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:10,968 | INFO  | l Console Thread | Activator
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | apache.camel.impl.osgi.Activator   92 | 51 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.camel.camel-core
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 2.6.0 | Camel activator stopped
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:11,984 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ContextLoaderListener
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | .activator.ContextLoaderListener  449 | 44 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.osgi.extender - 1.2.0 | Stopping
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [org.springframework.osgi.extender] bundle v.[1.2.0]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:11,984 | INFO  | l Console Thread |
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TimerTaskExecutor
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | heduling.timer.TimerTaskExecutor  179 | 38 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.springframework.context
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - 3.0.5.RELEASE | Cancelling Timer
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 09:48:12,281 | INFO  | l Console Thread | Console
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  | araf.shell.console.jline.Console  188 | 11 -
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.console - 2.1.3 | Exception 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caught
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> executing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.Exception: Could not start bundle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mvn:org.apache.servicemix.bundles/org.apache.servicemix.bundles.saaj-impl/1.3.2_1
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in feature(s) camel-cxf-2.6.0: Unresolved constraint 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.servicemix.bundles.saaj-impl [97]: Unable 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 97.0:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missing requirement [97.0] package;
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (package=com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.dom)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl.installFeatures(FeaturesServiceImpl.java:326)[19:org.apache.karaf.features.core:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl.installFeature(FeaturesServiceImpl.java:254)[19:org.apache.karaf.features.core:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl.installFeature(FeaturesServiceImpl.java:250)[19:org.apache.karaf.features.core:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.command.InstallFeatureCommand.doExecute(InstallFeatureCommand.java:51)[9:org.apache.karaf.features.command:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.command.FeaturesCommandSupport.doExecute(FeaturesCommandSupport.java:39)[9:org.apache.karaf.features.command:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.console.OsgiCommandSupport.execute(OsgiCommandSupport.java:38)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.commands.basic.AbstractCommand.execute(AbstractCommand.java:35)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.CommandProxy.execute(CommandProxy.java:50)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.Closure.execute(Closure.java:229)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.Closure.executeStatement(Closure.java:162)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.Pipe.run(Pipe.java:101)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.Closure.execute(Closure.java:79)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.gogo.runtime.shell.CommandSessionImpl.execute(CommandSessionImpl.java:71)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.shell.console.jline.Console.run(Console.java:170)[11:org.apache.karaf.shell.console:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:662)[:1.6.0_23]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caused by: org.osgi.framework.BundleException: 
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unresolved
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constraint
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bundle org.apache.servicemix.bundles.saaj-impl [97]:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unable to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> resolve 97.0:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missing requirement [97.0] package;
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (package=com.sun.org.apache.xerces.internal.dom)
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.Felix.resolveBundle(Felix.java:3409)[org.apache.felix.framework-3.0.2.jar:]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.Felix.startBundle(Felix.java:1709)[org.apache.felix.framework-3.0.2.jar:]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.BundleImpl.start(BundleImpl.java:905)[org.apache.felix.framework-3.0.2.jar:]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.felix.framework.BundleImpl.start(BundleImpl.java:892)[org.apache.felix.framework-3.0.2.jar:]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  at
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.karaf.features.internal.FeaturesServiceImpl.installFeatures(FeaturesServiceImpl.java:323)[19:org.apache.karaf.features.core:2.1.3]
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  ... 14 more
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> --
>>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> >>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> >>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> >>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>> Open Source SOA
>>>>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>



-- 
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com

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