Hi Eike,

Yesterday at 19:35, Eike Rathke wrote:

>> I can make something up (and using "am/pm" or "??????/??????" is just
>> making it up), but what reasons would I use to justify that?
>
> You would be able to distinguish am/pm if loading a foreign document
> that uses system locale and has 12 hour format set.

You misunderstood me: I perfectly understand the reason behind having
them.  I need justification for choosing any one mechanism over the
other.  Because I'd get quite a few questions asking "why didn't you
use this instead?" if I'd make a choice without good arguments.

I mean, should I organise voting and recommend several variants?  I
don't really think voting is a good choice-maker here, but it's kind
of "objective" (you can say: "YOU voted it, it's not my choice").

> Same in Germany (btw, the new CLDR defines time ranges for such
> constructs). Nobody would say "4 before noon" if talking of 4 o'clock in
> the morning, nor "8 after noon" if talking about 20:00 in the evening.
> Still we have defined "before noon" and "after noon". As long as the
> format isn't used in a document you don't care, do you? And it it was
> used, there would be some reason for it.

I agree.  But making something up is going to confuse users.  I can
use "am/pm" knowing that most educated people will know what it
means (since they're likely to be familiar with basics of English
language).  But note that this is only "most" of the educated people, 
which are still a minority.  (Of course, I didn't do any actual study,
so I may be entirely wrong.)

Perhaps using "am/pm" is best, since it's understandable for at least
a part of targetted population.  I'm trying to come up with the best
solution, and I don't have the resources to do a study or ask
goverment standardisation institutions to define standard 12-hour
format.  What did you actually put for German, and what was the
reason and justification?

>> In my opinion, if twelve hour format is used, it should be without any
>> specifiers for Serbian language, even though it would be ambigous.
>
> Well, that's your opinion. What do others say?

I don't know.  There is no standard, and whenever someone talks about
date and time formats, they insist that 24-hour format is what we use.

Cheers,
Danilo

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