Three remarks/replies:

"As to fusebox and obfusctating the design. To be honest shit coder in, shit
code out. Makes no difference what they do it in." -

yes, but Fusebox doesn't encourage people to become better developers.  If
anything, It makes it easier for them to "get by" with little skill for
longer.

"it is overkill and I avoid like the plague" -

me too

"it does have it's uses" -

like lining a bird cage?  Seriously, though - you're right.  In an
environment where standardization is important and the developers don't have
the skills to use best practices, follow development guidlines, or write
'complex' functionality on their own, it does have merit.

~Simon



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-----Original Message-----
From: Adam Reynolds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 February 2004 12:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] cfstandards...coming soon!


I'd go with the fact once you setup whichever version of fusebox you want to
play with on your machine, then deploy it onto a server. You forget the
behind the scenes stuff you have setup to do some of the fusebox stuff.

Suddenly it's the host's fault that something ain't running right cos it
works fine on *my* machine.

Russ, I do think you should be charging for this, which I hope you are!

As to fusebox and obfusctating the design. To be honest shit coder in, shit
code out. Makes no difference what they do it in. Unfortunately FB does not
help if somebody is doing some amazingly awful coding. It will make it worse
from a maintenance point of view.

Personally I like FB. Coming from a Software Engineering background (if you
ever fly, I was part of the team that wrote the NERC aircraft collision
detection system that covers most of the south east commercial traffic) it
gave me an event driven model for web applications which lent itself to
taking the product of requirements analysis all the way through to writing
test harnesses.

It depends on why you are using it. I do find in many cases it is overkill
and I avoid like the plague, but should you get into a set of requirements
that are into more than a couple of pages...it does have it's uses.

Adam

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kola Oyedeji [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 04 February 2004 10:36
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] cfstandards...coming soon!
>
>
> Coming in late here...
>
> But just to clarify, Russ are you saying that you're finding more
> bugs/errors in fusebox applications in comparison to non-fusebox
> applications or just pointing out that its harder to debug a Fusebox
> application than a non-fusebox application (for a non fuseboxer)?
>
> Kola
>
>




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