Why are you bitching about my bitching, don't you have some dustbins to empty or somehting ?
Sheesh russ > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 03 February 2004 17:48 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] cfstandards...coming soon! > > > *snip* > Of course I do get an apology when I give in and go and fix > their code for them, but still I am getting a bit sick of it now > *snip* > > Why are you bitching about this? > > You're running a business, right? > > Charge people for the support time it took to fix their site > and be happy that you're able to provide the service that > other hosting companies can't or won't. > > If it turns out that it's not their fault, thank them for > finding an error in your systems. > > Sheesh! > > Spike > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > co.uk] On Behalf Of Snake Hollywood > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 5:58 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] cfstandards...coming soon! > > Lets hope this might teach more people how to build > frameworks and write modular code instead of pissing about > with Fusecrap. > > <cf_bitch> > Yes I am having a moan about fusebox again. > Why? > Because we have an increasing number of hosting customers > with sites written in fusebox, and most of them has come to > us at some point with a broken site or a cferror and have > insisted it is oour fault and there is a problem with our > servers insisting there is no problem with their code. > We (meaning me) then have to go and debug their fusebox code > to find the error and prove it's not our fault. On the > occasions where I have said, sorry your sites written in > fusebox that's the problem, I have got back quite a lot of > abuse along the lines of "I thought you were meant to be a > good hosting company", "this is shit service", "there is > nothing wrong with our code we know what we are doing"... Etc > etc... Of course I do get an apology when I give in and go > and fix their code for them, but still I am getting a bit > sick of it now, because it's always fusebox apps this happens > with. I don't mind so much when it's regular code as I can > usually tell what the problem is without having to wade > around in their code first. > > I am absolutely adamant now that fusebox promotes developers > to produce and use code they do not understand and to write > apps they cannot debug. </cf_bitch> > > Now all our customers who are on this list prob wont dare ask > me about fusebox problems now :-) Don't be scared I'm lovely really... > > Russ Michaels > Macromedia/Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer > > CFMX Hosting > Phone: 0845 456 3487 > Tech Support: 0906 9607800 > FAX: 0709 2212 636 > WEB: cfmxhosting.co.uk > > >Please use the support helpdesk on our web site to submit support > >tickets.< > > Join our ColdFusion Developer discussion lists. > Send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Simon Horwith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 03 February 2004 11:37 > > To: UK DevList (E-mail) > > Subject: [ cf-dev ] cfstandards...coming soon! > > > > > > I apologize to those of you have already read this post on CF-Talk, > > but since I publicly mentioned it on that list and I'd briefly > > mentioned it on some other lists some time ago without > divulging any > > details, I thought I'd post the information to this list so > that you > > are more aware of the project I've begun. The site is > > cfstandards.org, and is committed to the definition of ColdFusion > > Standards in application functionality and coding practices. The > > site's still under development, but you can sign up for the > > newsletter, begin making suggestions for projects, and > apply to be a > > volunteer right now. I'll diverge more details when the > time is right, > > but for now I'll let you all know a few things about the project: > > > > 1. all of the code is open source and free > > > > 2. the site will not be a distribution point for UDFs, custom tags, > > etc. The purpose of the site is to develop modules for > functionality > > common to web applications... very similar to jakarta and the J2EE > > specification itself > > > > 3. in addition to modules for "plug and play" > functionality, the site > > will also begin defining development best practices... this will > > include CFML syntax, the organization of code, > documentation, and more > > > > 4. I am putting together a panel of experts in the industry - > > development gurus and representatives from the big industry > players - > > to make decisions regarding these best practices and to > make decisions > > regarding which proposed projects and standards to accept and reject > > > > 5. all of the modules will adhere to these coding standards and the > > panel, along with other cfstandards gurus, will determine > whether or > > not content submitted by volunteers meets these coding standards > > > > > > There's a little bit of information about the project on the > > site right now > > (http://www.cfstandards.org) but like I said, there will be a > > lot more functionality and information very soon. I have > > already begun receiving emails from developers that read > > about the project in my MAX summary back in November (page 2 > > of http://sys-con.com/coldfusion/article.cfm?id=684) and I > > encourage any developers on the UK Devlist that are > > interested in contributing to contact me off-list via email > > or via the web site if you wait a day or two. > > > > > > ~Simon > > > > > > Simon Horwith > > CTO, Etrilogy Ltd. > > Member of Team Macromedia > > Macromedia Certified Instructor > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer > > Certified Flash MX Developer > > CFDJList - List Administrator > > http://www.how2cf.com/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ** Archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%> 40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
