I don’t know how to convince the LF and Juniper lawyers, but I completely agree. I want a commercial support arrangement, but I don’t want commercial software that is “based on” or “derived from” Open Source. I want a commercial support contract for software that *IS* Open Source. The commonality of the naming is important because I specifically want to know that when I buy Linux of OpenStack or Contrail from a vendor that what they’re selling me is support and services, NOT permission to use proprietary software that shares x% of its code with an Open Source project.
To me the ideal would be multiple vendors all with their own separate groups of customers but with everybody agreeing that Juniper’s Open Contrail and X’s Open Contrail and Y’s Open Contrail are all the same software, cooperatively developed by Juniper and X and Y, with vendors differentiated by level of support, pricing, strength of presence in various countries, knowledge of customers’ specific industries, etc. I know some lawyers, perhaps including AT&T’s lawyers, don’t like the GPL, but I personally do like it specifically because I like knowing that the software I’m paying for doesn’t merely *contain* some formerly open source code, but is in fact currently and will be in the future, entirely Open Source. -- Paul Carver VoIP: 732-545-7377 Cell: 908-803-1656 E: pcar...@att.com<mailto:pcar...@att.com> Q Instant Message<qto://talk/pc2929> It is difficult to make predictions. Especially about the future. From: Dev [mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org] On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Friday, December 01, 2017 03:32 To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com> Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name The most valuable property of Open Contrail is that it comes from the same code base as commercial Contrail. Renaming it means to many customers a divorce from the original principle. //RR On Dec 1, 2017 05:12, "Harshad Nakil" <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote: Forcing OpenContrail to give up identity that got us here since last five years is not right. It is also being ungrateful to creativity. I never understood the insistence to be part of LF. Regards -Harshad On Nov 30, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Gregory Elkinbard <gelkinb...@juniper.net<mailto:gelkinb...@juniper.net>> wrote: I will ask the LF folks, But please note that RedHat does not actually own, or tried to own Linux as a trademark. RedHat site seems to claims that Enterprise Linux is a registered trademark it is actually not. Enterprise Linux was filed and abandoned in 2008 by some magazine, RedHat filed Enterprise Linux Advanced Platform which also was abandoned in 2008 and trademark was never granted according to US http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:yjpkzi.2.3<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.3&d=DwMFaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ&m=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ&s=c8xbJQAJq0F_fqqNshx7yXmHXLTguntXOrRf0W396BM&e=> http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:yjpkzi.2.1<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tmsearch.uspto.gov_bin_showfield-3Ff-3Ddoc-26state-3D4809-3Ayjpkzi.2.1&d=DwMFaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=xtmPik_TP2fjPVGWP4yBRQ&m=K2P-CgQRlLroEQ4Jd1AhI3BSk_EuOqLBWu5PeCmAQYQ&s=WhDxJk8pLArW_T54PJpc9izWFwD5TWBPAY1t-Aqa908&e=> So RedHat is using Linux in the product name without owning the trademark. They also should not have a registration mark against Enterprise Linux on their site as It is not a USA registered trademark. We do need to retain Contrail as trademark not just use it in the product name. Both internal lawyers and LF lawyers had a fit. Trust me I did not give up this fight easily. Greg From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> on behalf of Sachin Bansal <sban...@juniper.net<mailto:sban...@juniper.net>> Date: Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 5:38 PM To: Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> Cc: "dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>" <dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org>> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name +1 I also see double standards here. They have no problem with Redhat selling a product with ‘Linux’ in its name. Sachin On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Harshad Nakil <hna...@gmail.com<mailto:hna...@gmail.com>> wrote: +1 On Nov 30, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Ashish Ranjan <aran...@live.com<mailto:aran...@live.com>> wrote: I would rather go to Apache foundation or somewhere else if Linux foundation has issues with ‘contrail’. There is no way we should try to rename this and create confusion (and dilute brand). I am not an expert but I see there are many open source projects (like Docker, Kafka) with commercial version. Ashish ________________________________ From: Dev <dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev-boun...@lists.opencontrail.org>> on behalf of Nachi Ueno <nu...@juniper.net<mailto:nu...@juniper.net>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 3:43:51 PM To: Randy Bias; Robert Raszuk Cc: dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name then how about OpenSurströmming? ( I'm just kidding :) ) BTW, "Contrail" is "hikoki-gumo" or "kousekiun" in Japanese. ________________________________________ From: Randy Bias Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 2:58:59 PM To: Robert Raszuk Cc: Gregory Elkinbard; Nachi Ueno; Gasparakis, Joseph; EXT - dun...@bluechiptek.com<mailto:dun...@bluechiptek.com>; dev@lists.opencontrail.org<mailto:dev@lists.opencontrail.org> Subject: Re: [opencontrail-dev] We need a new name Yeah. Not a big fan of natto. Even with an egg on it. --Randy *** Sent from mobile, pls forgive tpyoes *** On Nov 30, 2017, at 14:21, Robert Raszuk <rob...@raszuk.net<mailto:rob...@raszuk.net><mailto:rob...@raszuk.net>> wrote: Hey Nachi, > BTW how about natto? this food seems like a network :P > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natt%C5%8D<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D&d=DwMFaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=cvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-8RUttsFy-iNDV0QCxFA&m=5ZFGzZiZpKyzy_icDopyHBbyzQDA2u-m2oBuxWkoG8c&s=8-Dos0M5o_oo5UMvxqLKv-KsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M&e=<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Natt-25C5-258D-253Chttps-3A__urldefense.proofpoint.com_v2_url-3Fu-3Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fen.wikipedia.org-5Fwiki-5FNatt-2D25C5-2D258D-26d-3DDwMFaQ-26c-3DHAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-2Dndb3voDTXcWzoCI-26r-3Dcvig2YGjcAqtN3D01QkDbCz-2D8RUttsFy-2DiNDV0QCxFA-26m-3D5ZFGzZiZpKyzy-5FicDopyHBbyzQDA2u-2Dm2oBuxWkoG8c-26s-3D8-2DDos0M5o-5Foo5UMvxqLKv-2DKsR58HWjf4E2bflfcEj4M-26e-3D&d=DwMFaQ&c=HAkYuh63rsuhr6Scbfh0UjBXeMK-ndb3voDTXcWzoCI&r=4SMc5wJ_FVS46-BSw4dDnrpmjQWP4eg0fer2nm244qg&m=j-ad-zSS8GjcSywyx1CU1uUEE-eV09QgzIRaH1RoMCo&s=RcO-O-k8SQa2rTAO1EDy1pTqpcwE8ts7RsrumgQ_P4s&e=>> Do you really want to discourage people from using it :))) ? 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