"To those that talk about Mozilla and the rest, I could just mention
what Microsoft does, US government and so on... Who is more
appropriate to decide? Mozilla or United Nations? "
I put more faith in Mozilla but now we're in a pollitical
discussion. :)
On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:40:59 +0300, Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
Michael, > The real issue is obviously that for some reason, some >
Greek people are unhappy with the fact that Macedonia > is
independent. And this frustration, Speaking for myself, I just want
to sort things out the proper, non propagandistic, way. I don't mind
at all whatever each person decides for his life but I do mind about
not respecting international decisions, names, treaties. I just don't
accept someone wanting to do his own when there are decisions and
status on the subject.
Again, I am not telling ANYONE how to call himself. That's his own
issue. But it's his own issue INSIDE his country. Outside he just must
learn to accept the status,
just like I accept it and will accept it
if it changes. Are we grown ups or not?
It's as simple as that. I don't like it when someone tries to put
words in my mouth. I am in no way a fanatic, nor could I care less
about the name. If UN decides to change the name to Macedonia and
FYROM and Greece accepts it, I'm fine with it as well. Honestly, I
couldn't care less. Naming does not change the economical facts that
make countries and the world move (unfortunately).
Until then, I suggest to those that want to include a non existent
language go and fork RC and include "Macedonian", "Klingonian" and
"Vassilian" in it.
If Thomas decides to include it, I'm fine by it as well. I will just
delete it from my installation and I will be disappointed that people
were tricked to include a non existent thing.
To those that talk about Mozilla and the rest, I could just mention
what Microsoft does, US government and so on... Who is more
appropriate to decide? Mozilla or United Nations?
It just
makes no sense to me... 50.000.000 Americans use "their"
instead of "they 're" and vice versa. Apparently it's ok because 50
million is A LOT, right? Let's not correct a mistake, let's make
another one. Is this our idea of becoming better persons and make
things right?
That's all from me, I thank Thomas for his hospitality and allowing
me to express my opinion. I would prefer if there are no hidden or
direct flames against me like last time because again, I really don't
want to continue this thread on the expense of the majority of the
list members that are not interested in it.
Thank you,
Vassilis
Michael Bueker wrote:
Dear Vassilis, For anyone more than two countries away from what
used to be Yugoslavia, this is a total non-issue. Everyone knows that
there are more ethnic groups than countries all over the balkans, and
oftentimes, there's more languages than ethnic groups in a region.
Every language needs a name, and most of the time, the name is
determined by the people
that speak it, and nobody comes up and tells
them "There is no such language. Call it so-and-so." The real issue is
obviously that for some reason, some Greek people are unhappy with the
fact that Macedonia is independent. And this frustration, apparently,
leads you to trolling around amoung open source developers to change
the name of the Macedonian translation. Now, if we could, just for the
sake of our joint effort here, stop clinging to some nationalistic
issue of pride, accept the political past for what it is, take the
world as it presents itself at the moment, and go on developing this
wonderful project, we would be serving our common cause best. ~Mik On
Wednesday 20 June 2007 21:57, Vassilis Stathopoulos wrote:
If we don't want to beat around the bush, this covers it all. There
is just no "Macedonian" language and no FYROMian or FYROMish of course
as you clearly pointed out. I assume that FYROM members of the list
would accept that since actually their language is mainly
just Slavic
dialect. Again, it's the right of every individual to name himself
anyhow he enjoys, but he must respect the international rules and
decisions as well. I would much like to be called "King Vassilis the
first" speaking my "Vassilanian" language but unfortunately for the
time being I can only do that inside my own home (and later probably
the nut house ;-)). Luckily for me, my wife, kids and parents call me
by that name, including some colleagues (namely my landlord, the
grocer and a car salesman that wants to sell me expensive cars).
Vassilis
