Chad Smith wrote:
So now you are going to send the government after me if I don't change the
site?  This is bullshit.

No, but this is exactly the sort of attitude and over-the-top rhetoric to which I was referring.

If anyone ever clicked on the make a donation button - I would have deducted my cost and then given the extra to OOo - or used it to promote OOo. I have
donated directly, monetarily to OOo and other Open Source projects in the
past. And, from a legal standpoint - the disclaimer at the top of the page is plenty, in and of itself, for a defence against anyone who wants to sue
me.  I have the same button on all of my sites that I put up at my own
expense. So far, none of them have been used. But if someone wants to give - they can feel free. That button didn't cost me anything, so I figured why
not.  Ever heard of "GiveBobaDollar.com"?  There is nothing illegal about
letting people give you money.

Look., Chad, I'm an attorney. This is what I do for a living. I'm not going to give you legal advice because I'm not sure where you live, and I'm guessing that I'm not licensed in that particular jurisdiction (unless it happens to be Michigan, USA, in which case . . . give me a call!). But I will tell you what I know in general about these kinds of issues.

There is a valid claim for an intellectual property right infringement if your work, product, logo, etc. resembles that of another closely enough that a reasonable person could confuse your work as having been produced by someone else. Now that the logo has been removed, you are in somewhat of a gray area on this one. With the logo there, however, you were very, very close to being in jeopardy of a legitimate complaint. The disclaimer is one factor that you could use to defend, but it's not dispositive. The only thing that would be dispositive is if you had written permission from someone with the authority to give it to duplicate the look and feel of the site; I am unclear from reading this thread thus far to determine whether or not that is what you are claiming. What I am saying--and I want to be very clear on this--is that you are possibly (not certainly, not probably, not definitely . . . just possibly) still "too close" to pass muster because it's arguable that a reasonable person could confuse your site with an "official" OOo site, and that's something you should keep in mind. I am trying to help you here because I don't want you to get into trouble. Furthermore, I think it's silly that we waste our time on this stuff and if you just made some minor changes to the point that your site is more easily distinguishable, that particular problem would go away.

As far as the button goes, again, I am trying to help you here. Even after your statement above, I'm still not clear where money that is "donated" goes. Does it go to you, or does it go to the OOo project? You have a site that has duplicated the look/feel of the OOo official site. Your site promotes the OOo project. It's got all kinds of links all around the "Make a Donation" button to OpenOffice.org official sites. A reasonable person would think that you are collecting donations for the OOo project with the "Make a Donation" button. That was my impression at first, and as I said, I'm still not clear on whether or not that's the case. I'm not saying you need to take it off. I'm saying that for your own good you need to make it clear where the money goes. The ideal solution would be to do one of the following:

1. Put text under the button that says "Donations defray the costs associated with the 'WhatIsOpenOffice.org' website, and are not tax-deductible. To make donations to the OpenOffice.org project, click here" with a link to http://contributing.openoffice.org/donate.html.

2. Instead of putting the button on the main page, put it on a separate "Donations" page, and replace the main page button with a link to the "Donations" page. Then, on the "Donations" page, explain where the money goes, that donations are not tax-deductible, and how to donate to OpenOffice.org, and include the button on this page.


But, good god - if you want to sue me because eric got his panties in a wad because I didn't kiss his ass for making a yet-unseen Mac-native version of
OpenOffice.org - bring it on.


Nobody is threatening to sue you or send the government after you or anything else. What I am trying to do is help you stay out of trouble, in spite of yourself. I'm doing you a favor. The proper response would be "Thank you" and not "THIS IS BULLSHIT!"

I have no idea who eric is. But I think you'll see that I've already disagreed with a lot of his criticism of your site. Nevertheless, you do have some potential liability here that you might want to avoid. Honestly, Chad, you seem to be creating a lot of your own problems. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Get the ego back on the leash. And read what I've said above objectively.

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