Le 3 juil. 06 à 06:56, Chad Smith a écrit :
You fail to see how it is difficult? Well, good for you. There
are many
people (as evidenced by OOo's own site) that have problems with
it. Heck,
the "Mini How-To for Installing OpenOffice.org 2.0 X11 Version for
Mac OS X"
is 17 pages long! It's a "mini-howto" and it's, I'll repeat that -
SEVENTEEN PAGES LONG. Yeah, it's no problem to install at all!
And ? Better do nothing ? Our HowTo is very appreciated.
When I put it on my own website, I had more than 20000 (yes)
downloads in 20 days only ! That's the reason why we put it on
porting/mac page : too much traffic.
Remember : OpenOffice.org installs himself with Drag and Drop. X11 is
the problem, and we are working to remove the X11 dependancy.
Last, please stop to consider people stupid : they can read a user's
guide, like this HowTo.
The link *should* go to this page:
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html -
except that
*that* page is only X11 for Panther - which is several years old
now. There
is no where that I've found (and I've looked) to download X11 for
Tiger.
You *have to* install that off the OS X DVD. If you lost the DVD
that came
with your MacBook
Please, don't exagerate : this case is exceptional, people can
borrow whan DVD to frineds .. etc : we are civilized.
Or we can provide X11 on demand, I already did.
Now, is it all OpenOffice.org's fault that finding and installing
X11 is
this complicated and confusing? No, it's not. In anything, it's
Apple's
fault for not putting a download for Tiger's X11 on their website.
Sorry, for one time I must recognize I completely agree.
BTW : just imagine one minute Apple decides to drop Java ...
However,
it *is* OpenOffice.org's fault for requiring X11. If two guys in
their
spare time can figure out how to make OOo work on Mac without X11
I disagree**
IMPORTANT :
If more than 5 ingineers confirm IT IS NOT TRIVIAL to provide a
native version of OpenOffice.org on Mac OS X, I think we can believe
them,
and there is certainly a LIE somewhere with NeoOffice, something not
true, hidding the reality ...
Please stop to confuse people.
**what you wrote is obviously wrong: they use all our work as
starting point (we fixed more than 200 issues since two years), makes
things easier.
Remember : they just check 1GB of code, and apply 10 to 15MB (max) of
bindings (using supplementary 250MB or RAM in runtime)
But respecting Licenses changes of name ..etc, NeoOffice is stricto
sensu not OpenOffice.org.
of OOo, contribution of code to Windows installers for OOo,
submitting bug
reports, contributing art and screenshots, etc..)
Let's talk about personnal contributions for OpenOffice.org project...
This week end, I (me, Eric Bachard) have :
- created two cws, and commited code
- prepared QA for a third one
- Fixed 4 issues (maybe more in fact)
- contributed to native port (wiki)
- built m173, m174 (unofficial) for both Panther, Tiger (Intel and
PowerPC), including upload on ftp for testers
- helped several people on IRC (buildfixes, code, simple help)
- welcomed a new dev in the Mac Team
- prepared a conference about OpenOffice.org project for RMLL ( Nancy
(France) 4th -11th of july 2006 )
What is your contribution ?
No, I think there are other reasons that OOo
still needs X11, while Neo hasn't for years.
First reason : X11 version does exist, works and has support
Second reason ; X11 version is stable, and well integrated in the
building process : we maintain it
Third reason : Native port is started in parallel and gives
results : let's continue !
Again; neo people use the work they other did, as starting point,
confusing people who believe they did all the work. This is obviously
not true.
Some political, Patrick and Ed
don't want their efforts to get swallowed up by the OOo project - a
little
vain, perhaps - but they've been able to do it on their own, and the
community hasn't come close - so they have some right to be prideful.
Patrick and Ed don't want to submit their code. That's their
right. So,
let's stop blaming them.
And ignore them :
We are a community project, and they refuse to respect our rules.
What else ?
Butwhat about the OOo community. They have no agenda against Mac,
right?
This is plain wrong. Please stop it.
wonderland of free code and software. Except for the Mac people.
They
don't even get to sit with the grown ups at the big download page.
Maybe soon ?
They
have to load some weird foreign windowing system to get a slower,
older
version of OpenOffice.org to even try to run on their computers.
One more time, not constructive, and not credible.
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
