Hello Martin, Le 4 oct. 2010 à 19:45, Martin Hollmichel a écrit :
> > Am 04.10.2010 19:10, schrieb Charles-H. Schulz: >> Andreas, Luiz, >> >> Let's take a step back. Obviously verbal assault does not help and >> should not be tolerated. So let's breathe a bit and calm down. >> >> Andreas, whatever your views are on what happened, please understand >> that we, the people of the Document Foundation, are OpenOffice.org just >> as much as you are. You may be upset about what happened, perhaps even >> hate me and others, (and I understand you would be) but the fact is: >> there is no other world than this one. And in this one, the >> OpenOffice.org community has decided to move on to a next level, and >> it's called the Document Foundation. For the record, Oracle and the >> Document Foundation are very committed to dialogue between each other, >> so I'm not calling this a fork yet. And besides, when a project is >> moving on while its main sponsor isn't, the fork might rather be >> attributed to the latter... but I digress. > This looks like you've got frightened by your own courage. Please face the > facts: you and some other people have decided to fork the project. That > happens from time to time in open source projects and is itself nothing to > get frightened of. No, I'm not frightened at all; I'm just very sad that we have ended up in this, although I know there was no other alternative. So did we fork the project as you have written it? Think of it this way: Almost everyone who does not work for Oracle has either already moved to LibreOffice, or is seriously thinking about moving and just wait for the Document Foundation to open up the infrastructure. You call that a fork but I'm not sure which way it works. At the very least it shows we -as in OpenOffice.org- have become a failure. And no, it's not you, it's not me, it's many, many other things. > An important point indeed is that both side keep the constructive dialog open > and trying to find compromises between their different objectives. Yes. > And they might find out then, if the different objective a worth to maintain > the fork or not. Or to put it in another way: if you join us or not :-) > We know that there were items we need to discuss about but obviously you > don't saw the need for it anymore, since you had in Budapest tons of > opportunities to do so. I still see possibilities to address many issues we > have within the established rules of the project and I'm open for discussion, > so it's your decision on how to move forward, Rest assured that if we could have worked issues inside a community process such as the ones we have inside OOo but are now almost inexistant, we would have done that, and we could have discussed them in Budapest. But it was too late, and too big to have them solved within the OOo processes. And yes, it's the community decision to move forward. Best, Charles. > > Martin > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
