Branch updated with changes to make it work. And here is an example extension to make logback "take over":
https://github.com/cstamas/maven-logback-logging To use it 1. build the slf4j-gossip branch 2. build the maven-logback-logging extension 3. in desired project just add .mvn/extensions.xml with <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <extensions> <extension> <groupId>org.apache.maven.logging</groupId> <artifactId>maven-logback-logging</artifactId> <version>1.0-SNAPSHOT</version> </extension> </extensions> Please note: this is all "draft", just from my bed... :) On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:06 PM Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote: > The gossip JAR looks small. I’d be fine using that as it satisfies the > need for colours and is nominally bigger than slf4j-simple which will make > almost everyone happy. This alleviates the colour debate. You want to try > it? > > For more complicated use cases someone we’ll need an extension and we’ll > figure out how to get those to work. > > > On Jan 8, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Tamás Cservenák <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > So, just for fun (and healing flue): > > > > https://github.com/apache/maven/compare/slf4j-gossip > > > > Does colouring by default in 80kb "extra" payload (but removes > slf4-simple > > and many other cruft). > > > > Now, _the theory_ says, that an extension could do > > > > Log.configure( ILoggerFactory ) > > > > And from that moment on, gossip replaces it's delegating loggers to > actual > > backend loggers (so to say, backend takes over). > > > > > > Have fun! > > ~t~ > > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 12:29 PM Tamás Cservenák <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> If there would be a vote about questions written below, I'd vote +1 to > all > >> of them: > >> > >> - No any kind of logging backend should enter core, ever. Project > already > >> agreed on use of SLF4j _facade_ (I consider slf4j as NOT violating this > >> requirement. It is very elastic by letting you choose backend for it. > Keep > >> the backend option OPEN, free for all) > >> > >> - Solve the problems (mentioned by Igor and others) to make possible to > >> add logger backends via extensions (currently not possible, it is "too > >> late", and slf4j may be inited only once). This may require some work on > >> maven side but maybe also on backend side too. With this, anyone could > use > >> any kind and capable logging backend that he wants, at the cost of a > bit of > >> XML juggling. > >> > >> - For best user experience, maybe introduce some plugin, that could for > >> example make logger extension management user friendlier, with some > goals > >> like switching/adding logging backends (basically would edit > extensions.xml > >> for you), and later maybe enhance it with some other goals too (to > manage > >> complete extensions.xml for example?)... > >> > >> === > >> > >> Also, as we have people leaning for log4j2 or logback backends, I'd like > >> to stir the water by joining the pack and requesting for a third option: > >> https://github.com/jdillon/gossip > >> > >> > >> Thanks, > >> ~t~ > >> > >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:17 AM Gary Gregory <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> No, I don’t that useful. If it’s an extensions then it can be > activated > >>>> using the .mvn/extensions.xml and downloaded on demand. I think for > >>> Maven > >>>> 4.x we just bite the bullet and put Logback in the distribution. Igor > >>> and I > >>>> have done most of the work in the last while and have implementations > >>> for > >>>> Logback, and when I drop the 4.x changes I will have done a ton of > work > >>> and > >>>> I’d just like to end the discussion and put Logback in 4.x. > >>>> > >>>> If we disagree then let’s resolve never to discuss this again because > >>> it’s > >>>> a waste of time. We’ll just leave the simple implementation in there > as > >>>> it’s probably fine for 99% of people. What Igor suggests I think is a > >>> fine > >>>> compromise. The optional extensions can be built in the main tree so > >>> that > >>>> we know they work, but not distributed by default. If someone wants to > >>> use > >>>> them they can enable them using the .mvn/extensions.xml mechanism. I > can > >>>> live with optional extensions in the tree, but I’ll never agree to the > >>>> default implementation being Log4J2. > >>>> > >>> > >>> OK I'll bite: > >>> > >>> - "I’ll never agree to the default implementation being Log4J2." > >>> - "I’m vehemently opposed to integrating Log4J2." > >>> > >>> Oh, then the irony of the signature: > >>> > >>> "You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in. > >>> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow. > >>> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically > >>> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of > >>> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or > >>> goals are in doubt. > >>> > >>> -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" > >>> > >>> So... why the vehemence? Why "never"? > >>> > >>> Gary > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:01 AM, Arnaud Héritier <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> And couldn't we have some optional extensions in the distribution ? > >>>>> Not activated by default but that users can easily activate by moving > >>> a > >>>> jar > >>>>> ? > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> And I liked this extension and wanted it! I only thought it > >>>> inappropriate > >>>>>> because the deps were not there by default in the core, and that we > >>> said > >>>>>> we’d discuss it. Even though I think by virtue of the fact you did > >>> the > >>>> work > >>>>>> and have consistently done work in the core that you should really > be > >>>> able > >>>>>> to make the change. I was just trying to be consistent with what we > >>> said > >>>>>> we’d do. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Igor Fedorenko <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It is already possible to implement advanced logging as an > >>> extension. > >>>>>>> This was what I did when my offer to provide multi-threaded logging > >>>>>>> support in the core was turned down on this list few months ago. So > >>> at > >>>>>>> this point the discussion/decision is purely political. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Regards, > >>>>>>> Igor > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016, at 08:53 PM, Nick Stolwijk wrote: > >>>>>>>> This isn't a mail to convince anyone between Log4J2 or Logback. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I have updated my Maven installation with Log4J2, instead of the > >>>>>> default, > >>>>>>>> which worked fine. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I missed one thing and I hope with different log implementations > we > >>>>>> still > >>>>>>>> could do this "right". Maven has a nice command line parameter to > >>> give > >>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>> extra logging, the "-X" parameter. With the Log4J2 in place, this > >>>>>> logging > >>>>>>>> parameter didn't work. I have to change the logging configuration > >>> to > >>>>>>>> include DEBUG logging. Is there a way to print out the logging, > >>>> without > >>>>>>>> regard to the logging framework, to include the debug information > >>> when > >>>>>>>> given the "-X" parameter? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I think it is very valuable to get extra logging without touching > >>> any > >>>>>>>> configuration files. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> With regards, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Nick Stolwijk > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ~~~ Try to leave this world a little better than you found it and, > >>>> when > >>>>>>>> your turn comes to die, you can die happy in feeling that at any > >>> rate > >>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> have not wasted your time but have done your best ~~~ > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Lord Baden-Powell > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I’ve no issue with the fix to make any implementation to work, > >>> just > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> merging of the log4j2 branch in general. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Ralph Goers < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Jason, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I really don’t care which logging framework Maven uses. There > >>> isn’t > >>>>>>>>> going to be much difference between Logback and Log4j 2 in a > batch > >>>>>> process > >>>>>>>>> like Maven, although asynchronous loggers might speed up larger > >>>> builds > >>>>>>>>> somewhat. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> However, these comparisons are still incorrect. Log4j is using > >>> the > >>>>>> ASF’s > >>>>>>>>> git repository and hasn’t really integrated pull requests from > >>> github > >>>>>> so > >>>>>>>>> you are comparing apples and oranges. If you look at the > >>> changes.xml > >>>>>> file > >>>>>>>>> you will see 250 due-to attributions, some of which include > >>>> committers > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> most of which are not. Just in the latest release, 2.5, there > were > >>>>>>>>> contributions from 13 individuals outside of the ASF and in the > >>> 2.4 > >>>>>> release > >>>>>>>>> there were contributions from more than 20. If Logback has only > >>> had > >>>>>>>>> contributions from 70+ non-committers since they moved to git, > >>> then > >>>>>> Log4j > >>>>>>>>> is easily winning that metric. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> That said, I don’t use Maven for how cool its logging framework > >>> is. > >>>>>>>>> However, Gary’s original complaint about an unsupported SLF4J > >>> binding > >>>>>> seems > >>>>>>>>> like it should be addressed. Why can’t a user use their own > custom > >>>>>> SLF4J > >>>>>>>>> implementation? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Ralph > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 3:49 PM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:46 PM, Paul Benedict < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Jason, I am sorry but to disagree with you. Your statistics > are > >>>>>> still > >>>>>>>>> not > >>>>>>>>>>>> telling a full story. I can glance at the commit graphs of > >>> these > >>>> 76 > >>>>>>>>> logback > >>>>>>>>>>>> contributors rather quickly to see really how "diverse" this > >>>>>> community > >>>>>>>>> is. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> * 35 (~45%) only ever made 1 contribution > >>>>>>>>>>>> * 18 (~25%) have only ever made 2 contributions > >>>>>>>>>>>> * 16 (~20%) have between 3-10 contributions. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> This is still awesome. I would love to have 35 contributors > >>> making > >>>>>> one > >>>>>>>>> change. It all adds up. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> That leaves only 7 logback contributors (~10%) who actually do > >>>>>>>>> something. > >>>>>>>>>>>> And of those 7, only 4 committed something in 2015 ... and > >>> Cecki > >>>> is > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> leader by far. It's clearly a very visible one man show with > >>>> sparse > >>>>>>>>>>>> contributions from others. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Based on these numbers, I think Log4J2 has the better > community > >>>>>>>>> involvement. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Everyone will interpret numbers as they wish but it’s a simple > >>>> thing > >>>>>>>>> even to make one change in an open source project. 99% of people > >>>> never > >>>>>> do > >>>>>>>>> so to have that number of people make one or two changes is a > >>>>>> significant > >>>>>>>>> thing. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:31 PM, Jason van Zyl < > [email protected] > >>>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> A contributor on that page is not a comparison of committers > >>> vs > >>>>>> not. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> People who have made pull requests to Maven are listed as > >>>>>>>>> contributors. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just as they would for Log4J2. A measure, albeit one, of the > >>>>>> overall > >>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity of contribution. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Paul Benedict < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am writing regarding this statement: "Ceki may do more > >>> commits > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>>>> it’s > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly not a one man show. 76 contributors for Logback > >>> and 8 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors for Log4J2." > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The numbers in themselves do not tell a full story. It's in > >>>>>>>>> appropriate > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclude that since 76 > 8, therefore logback is a better > >>>> choice. > >>>>>>>>> The 8 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors in Log4J2 have been voted in according to > Apache > >>>>>> bylaws. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conversely, there aren't any bylaws for logback; the logback > >>>>>> Github > >>>>>>>>>>>>> project > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> owner can freely grant commit privileges at will ... and > >>>>>> evidently, > >>>>>>>>> they > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do! So the bar for committer rights is much (much) lower > >>> than at > >>>>>>>>> Apache. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think the above comparison is fair toward log4j2. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Jason van Zyl < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 12:25 PM, Arnaud Héritier < > >>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great, more constructive feedback :-) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jason > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both projects are well known and widely used even if log4j > >>> v2 > >>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> younger > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with less downloads such figures are not really > >>> representative > >>>>>>>>> with all > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caches/repositories managers I think. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don’t have a single peer that uses Log4j2 and that’s > >>>> important > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> me. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not believe Log4J2 is well known or widely use. I think > 3 > >>>>>> years > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> releases is fairly representative in that Logback is > getting > >>>>>> close > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log4J incoming edge count and if you remove all the > incoming > >>>>>> edges > >>>>>>>>> from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apache there are not a lot of users. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> About logback vs log4j I have really no real preference > >>>>>> technically > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking (I had both branches working in the past and used > >>>> them > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> lot > >>>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professional life - > >>>>>>>>> http://www.aheritier.net/united-colors-of-maven/). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In term of community, Log4J is in our apache community and > >>> we > >>>>>> have > >>>>>>>>> few > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> active committers arround. On Logback side even if I > really > >>>>>>>>> appreciate > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ceki > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm always afraid about this one-man show project. (and > >>> Ceki > >>>>>> isn't > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too when we see the nightmare of slf4j-api 1.5+ > >>>>>> incompatibilities > >>>>>>>>> we > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have in 2016 !!). > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ceki may do more commits but it’s certainly not a one man > >>> show. > >>>>>> 76 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributors for Logback and 8 contributors for Log4J2. > It’s > >>>>>> stable > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mature at this point with 54 releases versus 33 for Log4J2. > >>> I > >>>>>> don’t > >>>>>>>>>>>>> think > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any person responsible for picking a package for logging > >>> would > >>>>>> get > >>>>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support in their organization for Log4J2, as the data would > >>>>>>>>> suggest. I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think with few contributors and usage it would likely be > >>>> deemed a > >>>>>>>>> less > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wise > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice than Logback and possibly a risk. There are also > >>> lots of > >>>>>>>>> Apache > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects that use Logback. I think pragmatism is a factor > in > >>>> all > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> other > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> projects at Apache who selected Logback. Being at Apache > >>>>>> obviously > >>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn’t > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the determining criterion and it shouldn’t be. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree that we are just talking about a logging > >>>> implementation > >>>>>>>>> but you > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> saw > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what it gave for eclipse/aether …. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I’m not sure what your point is here. No one worked on any > >>> of > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> parts, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ever, whether here or at Eclipse. I doubt anyone will work > >>> on > >>>> it > >>>>>>>>> when it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes back. So I’m not sure what analogy you’re trying to > >>> make. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm clearly not enough involved enough in the project to > >>> try > >>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>> convince > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone about a choice to do but I can just say that not > >>>> having a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colorized > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> console in 2016 is .... irritating. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the problem reported by Gary I think that applying the > >>> fix > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > maven-embedder/src/main/resources/META-INF/maven/slf4j-configuration.properties > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > https://github.com/apache/maven/commit/8cddea291c279130d437bcdf3337f16296558530 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is safe to be back-ported in master. It is just that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.slf4j.helpers.Log4jLoggerFactorywas for Log4J 1 AFAIU > >>> and > >>>>>> now > >>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log4J2 is release/stabilized there is a new one : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.slf4j.Log4jLoggerFactory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I asked Ceki for help I’d get it immediately also. Who > >>> isn’t > >>>>>>>>> going to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help there to get their library bundled with Maven? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the replacement of the implementation and activate > >>> colors > >>>> I > >>>>>>>>> prefer > >>>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let active committers decide of what they are doing (I > >>> imagine > >>>>>>>>> that for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice they are doing it doesn't avoid you to use another > >>> one > >>>> in > >>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>>>>> own > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribution ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would prefer log4j2 but clearly I never merged it > >>> because of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> slf4j > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict that I don't understand (but I didn't spend a lot > >>> of > >>>>>> time > >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>>>>> it) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To me the most important factor is usage, of course you > need > >>>> some > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threshold of developers so that people are working on it > but > >>>> even > >>>>>>>>> there > >>>>>>>>>>>>> I’d > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say it’s pretty sparse in Log4J2. But with widespread usage > >>>> comes > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examination, issue submissions, pull requests and > ultimately > >>>> more > >>>>>>>>> people > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that contribute and that’s clearly the case with Logback. I > >>>> don’t > >>>>>>>>> see > >>>>>>>>>>>>> how > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can logically refute that and see Log4J2 a better > choice > >>>>>>>>> because of > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what organization it’s developed within? Logback has a > >>>> community > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t happen to be here, and Ceki's not some random guy. > >>> He > >>>>>> also > >>>>>>>>> has a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long track record of open source dedication and > >>> contribution. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Jason van Zyl < > >>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the numbers I arrived at, happy to run them > with > >>>>>>>>> different > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinates but thought these were representative: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gremlin> g.V('vc', 'log4j:log4j').inE.count() > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==>84570 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gremlin> g.V('vc', > >>>>>> 'ch.qos.logback:logback-classic').inE.count() > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==>62389 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gremlin> g.V('vc', > >>>>>>>>> 'org.apache.logging.log4j:log4j-core').inE.count() > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ==>3134 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are incoming edges across all versions of said > >>>>>> coordinate. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Jason van Zyl < > >>> [email protected] > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we said previously when the the question arose again > >>>> there > >>>>>>>>> would > >>>>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. You may not remember, but I expect there to > >>> be a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have built a graph of Maven Central to analyze the > rank > >>>>>> (count > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>>>>>> all > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incoming edges) for Log4J2 and Logback and it is clear > >>> from > >>>>>> those > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that everyone has gone from Log4J to Logback. What has > >>>>>> happened, I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the numbers, is that the community followed the > >>> founder > >>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and not the owner project in pretty much the exact same > >>> way > >>>>>> users > >>>>>>>>> went > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenkins and not Hudson. Anyone is happy to take the graph > >>> and > >>>>>>>>> verify > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> themselves, or generate their own data from the machine > >>> that > >>>> is > >>>>>>>>>>>>> housing > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> copy of Maven Central at Google. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally Igor has an implementation for logging > >>> during > >>>>>>>>> concurrent > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> builds based on Logback that I would really like to use, > >>> and > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> color > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logging is also easy with Logback. I do not want to use > >>>>>> something > >>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community at large has not adopted. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again, anyone is welcome to the code and/or the data if > >>> they > >>>>>>>>> want to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> verify this themselves. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I also am not interested in a debate so if we disagree > >>> then > >>>>>> just > >>>>>>>>>>>>> leave > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the simple implementation in place. I’m not > >>> philosophically > >>>>>>>>> motivated > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here in these discussions but I’m vehemently opposed to > >>>>>>>>> integrating > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log4J2. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 7:55 AM, Arnaud Héritier < > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for this valuable comment Jason :( > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jason van Zyl < > >>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -1 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do not merge this branch. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 4:05 AM, Tibor Digana < > >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Arnaud, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you plan a Release Version to merge this branch o > >>>>>> master in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Arnaud Héritier [via > >>>>>> Maven] < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just because only 2.4 was available when I updated > >>> this > >>>>>>>>> feature > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> branch > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months ago. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le mardi 5 janvier 2016, Gary Gregory <[hidden > email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:// > >>>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=0>> > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Arnaud, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the update. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not update the Log4j 2 dep from 2.4 to 2.5? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gary > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Arnaud Héritier > >>>> <[hidden > >>>>>>>>> email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:// > >>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=1> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gary, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I fixed this in the branch : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> https://github.com/apache/maven/commits/slf4j-log4j2.4 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fix is in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > maven-embedder/src/main/resources/META-INF/maven/slf4j-configuration.properties > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > https://github.com/apache/maven/commit/8cddea291c279130d437bcdf3337f16296558530 > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is the update I did after my old blog post : > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.aheritier.net/united-colors-of-maven/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BR > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Gary Gregory > >>> <[hidden > >>>>>>>>> email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:// > >>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=2> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Happy Holidays. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can the next version of Maven be rid of this > >>> warning: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [WARN] The SLF4J binding actually used is not > >>>>>> supported by > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maven: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> org.apache.logging.slf4j.Log4jLoggerFactory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [WARN] Maven supported bindings are: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [WARN] (from > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>> > jar:file:/E:/Java/apache-maven-3.3.9/bin/../lib/maven-embedder-3.3.9.jar!/META-INF/maven/slf4j-configuration.properties) > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - ch.qos.logback.classic.LoggerContext > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - org.slf4j.helpers.Log4jLoggerFactory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - org.slf4j.impl.SimpleLoggerFactory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a step I am missing to use Log4j 2 > >>> cleanly? > >>>> My > >>>>>>>>> steps > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>> https://garygregory.wordpress.com/2015/03/23/watch-maven-in-color/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail: [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:// > >>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=3> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | [hidden > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email] <http:// > >>>>>>>>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=4> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Persistence with Hibernate, Second Edition > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.manning.com/bauer3/> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JUnit in Action, Second Edition < > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.manning.com/tahchiev/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spring Batch in Action < > >>>>>> http://www.manning.com/templier/> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blog: http://garygregory.wordpress.com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Home: http://garygregory.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tweet! http://twitter.com/GaryGregory > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnaud Héritier > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://aheritier.net > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mail/GTalk: aheritier AT gmail DOT com > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twitter/Skype : aheritier > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> E-Mail: [hidden email] > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http:// > >>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=5> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <javascript:;> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> | [hidden > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email] <http:// > >>>>>>>>> /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=5857870&i=6> > 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