> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Jason van Zyl <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> No, I don’t that useful. If it’s an extensions then it can be activated
>> using the .mvn/extensions.xml and downloaded on demand. I think for Maven
>> 4.x we just bite the bullet and put Logback in the distribution. Igor and I
>> have done most of the work in the last while and have implementations for
>> Logback, and when I drop the 4.x changes I will have done a ton of work and
>> I’d just like to end the discussion and put Logback in 4.x.
>> 
>> If we disagree then let’s resolve never to discuss this again because it’s
>> a waste of time. We’ll just leave the simple implementation in there as
>> it’s probably fine for 99% of people. What Igor suggests I think is a fine
>> compromise. The optional extensions can be built in the main tree so that
>> we know they work, but not distributed by default. If someone wants to use
>> them they can enable them using the .mvn/extensions.xml mechanism. I can
>> live with optional extensions in the tree, but I’ll never agree to the
>> default implementation being Log4J2.
>> 
> 
> OK I'll bite:

I won’t. 

> 
> - "I’ll never agree to the default implementation being Log4J2."
> - "I’m vehemently opposed to integrating Log4J2."
> 
> Oh, then the irony of the signature:
> 
> "You are never dedicated to something you have complete confidence in.
> No one is fanatically shouting that the sun is going to rise tomorrow.
> They know it is going to rise tomorrow. When people are fanatically
> dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kind of
> dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or
> goals are in doubt.
> 
>  -- Robert Pirzig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
> 
> So... why the vehemence? Why "never"?
> 
> Gary
> 

Thanks,

Jason

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